And this is why Labs are SOOO important

**SoCal** · February 2nd, 2012, 09:33 PM

I have been feeling like $hit on my HCG and Clomid "inter-therapy". So I did what any reasonable person would do ... sit it out a week and feel even $hittier by the end of the week.

After over a week of not feeling well (mentally or physically) I then did what any *intelligent* person should do and coughed up $50 for labs and low and behold I am ALL OUT OF WACK!

T @ 395
E @ 10.9

Cost of Labs $50
Cost of gas to get to labs $3.45
Cost of knowing your levels... Priceless

This post is about the larger question of why the heck wouldn't I have a better (or any) response after 1.5 weeks of HCG @ 500iu daily alongside 50mg clomid daily. And all that aside what should I do - just go back on my T? should I frontload? Have a call into my Doc - but of course she's a bit busy doing Botox injections to take my call!!!

**Canuck** · February 2nd, 2012, 09:39 PM

Begs the question. Is your cousins name Derek?

**SoCal** · February 2nd, 2012, 09:44 PM

I am on TRUE prescriptions based and prescription filled @ local US Pharmacy Meds!

**Quinc** · February 2nd, 2012, 09:50 PM

Those are your numbers after coming off TRT, and 1.5 weeks into your pct?

**SoCal** · February 2nd, 2012, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Quinc

Those are your numbers after coming off TRT, and 1.5 weeks into your pct?

I am at day 13 of this therapy. Yes after coming off Testosterone Cypionate

**SoCal** · February 2nd, 2012, 10:14 PM

Note: The first week I was also taking tamoxifen EOD (only took 3 doses before stopping)... I took it as I misunderstood my doctors instructions.

**Canuck** · February 2nd, 2012, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by SoCal

I am at day 13 of this therapy. Yes after coming off Testosterone Cypionate

LOL. You're only 13 days into your PCT coming off an extended stay on TRT? I'm surprised your T-levels are even where they are now. These things take time. Stay on the therapy and get labs in another 30 days.

**SoCal** · February 2nd, 2012, 11:50 PM

keep in mind I may still be getting some effect from my last test cyp shot in terms of the T levels.. @ 7 days after administration of T I generally test out around 660's-798 +/-... so having a blood draw on day 12 and getting a reading of about 1/2 of that also could just point to the test cyp half living it's way out of my system...

Lessons learned thus far:

1) My doc again surprises me with her lack of understanding
2) Should have started HCG well before discontinuance of Testosterone Cypionate
3) Adderall may have helped allay some of the anxiety/depressive/foggy head feelings the last time I did a "PCT". (not taking it now/this go-around)
4) Clomid makes a grown man cry at stupid movies..

**GaWd** · February 3rd, 2012, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by SoCal

4) Clomid makes a grown man cry at stupid movies..

"The Oprah Effect"

I told you...

I'm much more in control of my emotions at 50mg/ED, but 1 dose at 150mg, and the Oprah Effect is in full swing!

**eclypz** · February 3rd, 2012, 03:40 AM

you should not be taking 500ius a day of HCG. Your body becomes resistant to it quite rapidly at those daily doses. 3x a week should do the trick, without risking the chance of desensitization.

**SoCal** · February 7th, 2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by eclypz

you should not be taking 500ius a day of HCG. Your body becomes resistant to it quite rapidly at those daily doses. 3x a week should do the trick, without risking the chance of desensitization.

daily doses were just for two weeks. i am now transitioned to mwf