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    • #381166

      jimmy
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      [QUOTE=vestpocket;650614]You ought to try one of the higher quality loose leaf teas, if you can. It is possible that you might be missing out on something. I bought some of the cheaper supermarket tea and it did help, but it always produced an effect that was markedly different and less worthwhile than the grades of teas that seem to contain more of the desired components.[/QUOTE]

      I second this – a higher grade green tea, infused for 10 minutes – it takes 8-10 minutes for a significant amount of catechins to be extracted. One thing to keep an eye on is the caffeine content – so far as I’m concerned, if I have too much green tea (and by default caffeine) the benefits of green tea are no more. Since caffeine displaces adenosine at the receptor sites and causes the release of a number of neurotransmitters, I would think this might be why green tea sometimes stops working.

      #381167

      096233fktlew
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      [QUOTE=rodstewart;650615]Thanks, I definitely will now. sorry if this was asked already… but where is the best place to get dragonwell green tea online? I doubt any stores carry it around my area…
      An interesting side note… I notice body odor returns for me as well when doing this stuff…

      how bad is the gyno vest? are you using anything to combat it yet? high estrogen is a mother[/QUOTE]

      The body odor has returned for me, as well. It seems to last all day, too.

      Regarding the gyno, I initially thought I was crazy. I’m quite thin, and I had minor gynecomastia for years, presumably due to various attempts at HRT. Within the past few months, I started noticing it every time I looked in the mirror, every time I had a tight shirt on, etc. I wondered if it had been progressing over the last few years and I’d just not noticed it, or if this was actually something NEW. The way it suddenly struck me suggests that it is new.

      It is a 2-4 centimeter long fold of fat that extends from the nipple towards the outside of the body, under the arm. If it is cold, and my nipples constrict, the stretching makes it less noticeable but not invisible. Prior to the 3 months of GT, it was only visible as very puffy nipples that aesthetically resolved themselves when cold and constricted (or smacked, if I felt embarrassed enough about them.)

      Rishi’s website sells the kind that I have used with success. You can get 1 ounce for 7.00. I usually get 1.58 ounces in a can from my local Whole Foods Market for 13.99. So, the 7.00 price is a “deal.” I’ll PM the URL.

      Chip Douglas has better sources for tea. I can’t speak from experience about them since I haven’t had the money to order yet.

      #381179

      jimmy
      Member

      [QUOTE=vestpocket;650620]The body odor has returned for me, as well. It seems to last all day, too.

      Regarding the gyno, I initially thought I was crazy. I’m quite thin, and I had minor gynecomastia for years, presumably due to various attempts at HRT. Within the past few months, I started noticing it every time I looked in the mirror, every time I had a tight shirt on, etc. I wondered if it had been progressing over the last few years and I’d just not noticed it, or if this was actually something NEW. The way it suddenly struck me suggests that it is new.

      It is a 2-4 centimeter long fold of fat that extends from the nipple towards the outside of the body, under the arm. If it is cold, and my nipples constrict, the stretching makes it less noticeable but not invisible. Prior to the 3 months of GT, it was only visible as very puffy nipples that aesthetically resolved themselves when cold and constricted (or smacked, if I felt embarrassed enough about them.)

      Rishi’s website sells the kind that I have used with success. You can get 1 ounce for 7.00. I usually get 1.58 ounces in a can from my local Whole Foods Market for 13.99. So, the 7.00 price is a “deal.” I’ll PM the URL.

      Chip Douglas has better sources for tea. I can’t speak from experience about them since I haven’t had the money to order yet.[/QUOTE]

      Here are my online sources for green tea : [URL]http://www.tealux.ca/[/URL] this one has dragon well tea and is the least expensive source of mine.
      This one sells more expensive teas, but they’ve told me they check it for radioisotopes and other health concerns : [URL]http://camellia-sinensis.com/tea/[/URL] they really carry a wide selection of teas from the world over – pretty nice place – I’ve purchased a LOT from them of late.

      #381185

      IsiahHind
      Member

      thanks guys!

      #381280

      096233fktlew
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      [QUOTE=rodstewart;650639]thanks guys![/QUOTE]

      Rod,

      What other supplements are you taking?

      In considering other possibilities related to my sudden surge of gynecomastia, I have determined that 75mg of daily soy isoflavones might be the cause. They are purportedly estrogenic. The high GT intake may only compound the problem.

      #381281

      jimmy
      Member

      I would tend to point finger at the isoflavones as well.

      #381283

      IsiahHind
      Member

      [QUOTE=vestpocket;650738]Rod,

      What other supplements are you taking?

      In considering other possibilities related to my sudden surge of gynecomastia, I have determined that 75mg of daily soy isoflavones might be the cause. They are purportedly estrogenic. The high GT intake may only compound the problem.[/QUOTE]

      Thanks for trying to help, I am not taking much right now… besides the green tea I sporadically use… I just take gnc liquid b-multi everyday… some vit c and magnesium every once in a while… getting some zinc glycinate to experiment with soon…. I take letro to knock down estrogen. I dont know… I cant figure it out… I dont take any soy… I tried soy isoflav a long time ago because I read it could kind of act like a serm… It didn’t help so I discontinued using it a long time ago.

      I have had these issues for a long time but since I have been experimenting with green tea… the estrogenic effects have increased… no gyno…. but I get hot, sweat, itch sometimes, emotional over dumb things a lot more than I use too. It’s gotta be increasing my testosterone because E follows T.

      #381366

      096233fktlew
      Member

      I have noticed big time gynecomastia!

      From another forum:
      [COLOR=#ffffff][QUOTE][FONT=verdana]Apparently, green tea constituents act pro-estrogenic at lower doses and anti-estrogenic in higher doses. Unfortunately, doses usually orally ingested are assumed to be “low”.[/FONT]

      [FONT=verdana]Conclusion: If you are concerend with gyno, then it’s probably better to stop taking green tea or green tea extracts.[/FONT][/QUOTE][/COLOR]

      Sencha was working for me, but it was only part of the puzzle. When I switched back to Dragonwell, my full enjoyment capacity returned. Research reveals that the steaming performed on Dragonwell leaves may prevent the EGCG from oxidizing, even if the EGCG content of Sencha is higher per gram of leaf.

      My dosage stands around 9g of dry leaf per morning, brewed through about three times at 195 degrees vs. the 175 that the manufacturer recommends — and for 20 minutes, vs. the 3-4 that the manufacturer recommends.

      What kind of green tea are you using, rod?

      #381379

      jimmy
      Member

      [QUOTE=vestpocket;650455]I have noticed big time gynecomastia!

      From another forum:

      Sencha was working for me, but it was only part of the puzzle. When I switched back to Dragonwell, my full enjoyment capacity returned. Research reveals that the steaming performed on Dragonwell leaves may prevent the EGCG from oxidizing, even if the EGCG content of Sencha is higher per gram of leaf.

      My dosage stands around 9g of dry leaf per morning, brewed through about three times at 195 degrees vs. the 175 that the manufacturer recommends — and for 20 minutes, vs. the 3-4 that the manufacturer recommends.

      What kind of green tea are you using, rod?[/QUOTE]

      This is interesting – I seem to have noticed a similar effect from dragon well – but I ran out of it so I’ll need to get some more and find out about this. Do you still find tyrosine to be relevant to your treatment plan ?

      #381404

      096233fktlew
      Member

      [QUOTE=Chip Douglas;650468]This is interesting – I seem to have noticed a similar effect from dragon well – but I ran out of it so I’ll need to get some more and find out about this. Do you still find tyrosine to be relevant to your treatment plan ?[/QUOTE]

      I’ve dropped the tyrosine, and it does not appear to be vital.

      Today, I experimented with a single 3g dose of tea leaf. The results were positive, but not as positive as the 9g dose. The effect is certainly dose dependent.

      #381408

      jimmy
      Member

      [QUOTE=vestpocket;650494]I’ve dropped the tyrosine, and it does not appear to be vital.

      Today, I experimented with a single 3g dose of tea leaf. The results were positive, but not as positive as the 9g dose. The effect is certainly dose dependent.[/QUOTE]

      Ever tried Mucuna Pruriens ? I have a brand new bottle in the cupboard, but haven’t tried it yet – I have to be careful about conducting experiment since this could have adverse effects on my mood and overall functioning – I can’t afford that, so I tend to experiment on the weekends.

      #381419

      096233fktlew
      Member

      [QUOTE=Chip Douglas;650498]Ever tried Mucuna Pruriens ? I have a brand new bottle in the cupboard, but haven’t tried it yet – I have to be careful about conducting experiment since this could have adverse effects on my mood and overall functioning – I can’t afford that, so I tend to experiment on the weekends.[/QUOTE]

      Yes, I have tried Mucuna Pruriens. I used the product by Now Foods that is standardized to 15% levodopa. It did nothing.

      I also tried DLPA (along with the GT regimen) and standalone PEA which both did nothing. Outside of GT usage, l-tyrosine also did nothing.

      WARNING: PEA + seligine is not a “does nothing” combinaton. In fact, it gave me a burst of euphoria that turned into vomiting, flushing and nearly a trip to the hospital. The PEA was taken 7 days after a the dose of seligiline, and yet the combination still had this profound effect. MAOIs are no joke.

      #381429

      IsiahHind
      Member

      I have used about three different brands and they all seem to work… just regular brands from the store… bigelow, stash, cant recall the other one… Doesn’t cure me but they help for some reason. anyways it has to be boosting T because my e2 has been hard to control. I have to use an A.I. more now if I am using the green tea.

      #381458

      IsiahHind
      Member

      How you doin vest? gte and l-ty still helps me! However, I have always had e2 problems but I notice my e2 goes up faster now when i use that stuff so I have to control that.

      #382283

      armandobc60
      Member

      [QUOTE=vestpocket;649102]I see neither a decrease nor increase of energy. I have a greater sense of well-being afterward, but my motivation is rather low, possibly because I feel completely sexually satiated afterward. My sex “drive” does not return until I awaken the next morning.

      Yes, with porn.[/QUOTE]

      OK cool. And you attribute this to the green tea consumption or what? Are masturbating this long for pleasure or possible benefits? I am curious because I often like to go on marathon masturbation sessions to porn and feel drained/foggy afterward, so this cure would be helpful. Sorry if this was covered on prior pages, I read most of them, but couldn’t figure it out.

      #382285

      Anonymous

      What’s the hypothesis behind increased wanking increasing libido?

      It’s just an addiction. The more you jack off to porn, the more you crave it. The more you do it, the more you crave it, etc, etc. Vicious cycle. Training your brain to get off on porn is your choice of neurogenesis. Whether that’s a healthy one…? Definitely not my thing.

      Unbelievable, that some have come to the conclusion that more wanking is going to solve the problem.

      The more you jerk off, the more desensitised yIour d2 receptors become. Hello anhedonia!

      So, what do you want to be? A wanker… Or someone who wants to live their life? Hmmmm

      Anecdotally, I can confirm that abstinence for about two weeks, resulted in me popping boners left, right and centre. The only downside was that it was starting to become uncomfortable down there. I could feel that I was bursting. I think two weeks is too long. Just ejaculating once, maybe twice, per week should be ok. During this period of abstinence I noticed vastly increased sociability, less depression, more motivation and many other positive traits.

      #382290

      096233fktlew
      Member

      [QUOTE=rjm07;649216]What’s the hypothesis behind increased wanking increasing libido?

      It’s just an addiction. The more you jack off to porn, the more you crave it. The more you do it, the more you crave it, etc, etc. Vicious cycle. Training your brain to get off on porn is your choice of neurogenesis. Whether that’s a healthy one…? Definitely not my thing.

      Unbelievable, that some have come to the conclusion that more wanking is going to solve the problem.

      The more you jerk off, the more desensitised yIour d2 receptors become. Hello anhedonia!

      So, what do you want to be? A wanker… Or someone who wants to live their life? Hmmmm

      Anecdotally, I can confirm that abstinence for about two weeks, resulted in me popping boners left, right and centre. The only downside was that it was starting to become uncomfortable down there. I could feel that I was bursting. I think two weeks is too long. Just ejaculating once, maybe twice, per week should be ok. During this period of abstinence I noticed vastly increased sociability, less depression, more motivation and many other positive traits.[/QUOTE]

      That is not our conclusion.

      The wanking has to do with being certain that the systems are functional. Purely experimentation at this point. Those of us who benefit from this thread are people who couldn’t even get pleasure from wanking, let alone a female.

      #382291

      jimmy
      Member

      [QUOTE=vestpocket;649221]That is not our conclusion.

      The wanking has to do with being certain that the systems are functional. Purely experimentation at this point. Those of us who benefit from this thread are people who couldn’t even get pleasure from wanking, let alone a female.[/QUOTE]

      Exactly.

      #382296

      Anonymous

      If you think you have a purely physical problem and are not masturbating to high volumes of porn, this blog is perhaps the best I’ve found for troubleshooting ED problems from a holistic standpoint. http://www.peaktestosterone.com/ Or you could get viagra but that is a temporary solution.

      #382297

      096233fktlew
      Member

      [QUOTE=ThaMicCrusher;649230]If you think you have a purely physical problem and are not masturbating to high volumes of porn, this blog is perhaps the best I’ve found for troubleshooting ED problems from a holistic standpoint. [URL]http://www.peaktestosterone.com/[/URL] Or you could get viagra but that is a temporary solution.[/QUOTE]

      It doesn’t seem to work that way for us. Viagra has failed me in real life situations. So has Cialis and Levitra. So has l-citrullene, l-arginine, maca powder, yohimbie, seligiline, non-SSRI anti-depressants, apomorphine, testosterone injections and sublingual testosterone droplets.

      The issue is with neurotranismitters and not with blood pressure/blood flow or erectile capacity. The issue is with mental arousal, but has nothing to do with complex psychological “blockades” — as simple agents like tea that selectively (as much as it can be selective) boost dopamine do seem to allow for proper functioning, regardless of mental state, fatigue, diet or hormone levels.

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