Since I don't drink (daddy issues), I have never had the experience of talking to a female with zero anxiety. I actually stutter sometimes when talking to a female I get so nervous... Laugh it up.

Anyway, tomorrow I'll be slowly over the course of three hours taking, spread out (in the form of a nasty drink):
Phenibut 6 grams over three hours
theanine 1 gram over three hours
caffeine 200mg over 3 hours

I should be talking to her about hour two... I have horrible "girl" social anxiety, and can pick up stuff at vitamin shoppe/gnc... Any recommendations on stuff to add?

that's wayyyyy too much phenibut, IMO. You are going to feel like hell later unless you have a high tolerance for it already. I'd cap it off at 1.5-2g max.

A little picamilon might fit in here nicely.

moar adderal?

Nutra nor CNW sold picamilon or I would have picked that up already, for what it's worth.

And I'll cap the phenibut at 3 grams. Thanks.


P.S. Anyone know if tanning raises seratonin levels? Stupid question.. But i seriously get happy/pumped/driven after tanning.

Sunlight in the eyes can induce POMC production. I never get that effect from tanning, though (maybe because I shield and close my eyes).

POMC... Please help me I'm googling here.
What's relevant about POMC?

By the way, two hours out from girl talk time... Time to start sipping.

Less phenibut...max 1 gram even if it is not the first time

Okay... Added in

1 gram tryptophan
1.5 grams gaba
1.5 grams PEA
600mg theanine
450mg Relora
300mg Holy Basil Leaf Extract 5:1
Relora, theanine, and gaba, and Holy Basil Leaf were from a combo product called theanine serine (source naturals brand).

Be careful with this. Have you assessed tolerance? Take into account that even if you could take it in the past, if you have been off of it for some time, it might hit you harder than you are used to. If you happen to have a negative phenibut experience, you won't foget, believe me.

this is stupid. are you serious? I saw your pictures. you look good man, you are intersting. WTF.

Yeah that is out of hand for a simple date and could easily backfire and leave you too doped up, high or just generally out of it to be entertaining. Especially if you are one-on-one with someone sober, if you tweak out your mental state too far they will easily detect that something is amiss. It would be really tragic if she would have liked your regular personality but ends up thinking you're a weirdo based on your artificially influenced behavior.

Out of the laundry list you rattled off, I would single out theanine as an appropriate measure, or a SMALL amount of phenibut.

Phenibut + AMP2 = Confidence + Vocal pwnage

WoW sounds like myself. Absolutely no self worth when it comes to women. I tend to date only women that approach me, rather than go after females on purpose. I have my moments where I can say anything to any one and just have a care free attitude, but these are few and far between.

I can be getting ready for a contest and be lean to the point of veins crawling up my abs and still have no confidence with a beautiful girl. Puke.

I think the anxiety of failure is so great that I'd rather not even attempt. I think I learned at an early age that rejection is so horrible it's best not to risk it. This often leads to a lonely life or leaves you clinging to a hopeless relationship because you don't think you'll ever replace it.

Fear of rejections I think often causes it. Daily struggle for me. I feel you Words.


Additional observation:

This gets worse with the increased frequency I masterbate or have sex. The longer I get sex deprived the more social I am to the point where I refuse to masterbate. Well... for as long as I can. I have been a 'at least once a day' kind of guy since I found out I could rub against the bed and get a hard on in second grade. Literally. I think this type of behavior has reinforced the wrong kind of behavior. You get positive experience from sequestering yourself. Just a theory. I know that if I go 5 days without touching myself I'm a savy as sin in the bars on the weekend. Then once I give in the next day all I want to do is stay home and watch movies.

Only men think this does/should yield confidence.

Pretty sure there's a study out there showing T levels increasing over the course of a week of abstinence. After 7 days though, T falls.

Well I'm a man, so theoretically it should induce confidence. The point here is that it doesn't. Thanks for proving the point.

Well if anybody is looking for an I told you so... I threw up
But luckily in privacy, not anywhere near the girl.
I'm currently figuring out what to do. I had abit of euphoria to along with that throwing up though. I think it was the pea.
Total head rush before I tossed cookies.

And I am glad I don't drink... I just realised how much of an overly nice emotional fucktard I was on all that for about 45 minutes.

Vomiting + overly nice emotional fucktard = I told you so! Nah, I also learn everything the hard way and wouldn't have listened.

I'm having one of those moments of clarity/I'm wasting my life/introspection right now.
And plus one on Jake's comments. Looks can really mean fuckall if you can't look a female in the face.

I didn't even mention that; actually on purpose, but it's almost impossible for me to hold eye contact with a woman.

One or two drinks to loosen up isn't going to cause beer tears...unless you're a chick.

And it can do wonders for the eye contact thing.

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This describes me perfectly as well. Glad to know I'm not the only one; although I'm sorry you have this dilemma too.

with girls....read "The Game" by Neil Strauss...you wont need supps or alcohol. If you dont know what to do after you read that PM me.

I just downloaded the book... This has lame written all over it though Just saying
But you know, whatever helps.
I mean, besides test, tren, and alcohol.

EDIT: Got to page 11... The author is a scum bag.
I've got a serious moral dilemma with listening to fuckwads like this.

Did either of you ever go to a therapist?

Just wait until I get home. I'll post up a pdf of an e-book by the biggest douche ever. It's absolutely terrible, yet absurdly hilarious. IIRC, it's called "Chicks: How to date 'em, dump 'em, and get 'em back again." by Preston Howell, III or something equally ridiculous.

x3

The "problem", from my limited point of view, is that the same psychological factors that lead you to practice bodybuilding and to want the mirrors you look at to give you a beautiful reflection also lead you to fear rejection. You fear rejection because, given the fact that you seek physical perfection, the fact that a female rejects you throws at you doubs like "Does the fact that she has rejected me mean that she has not perceived my body as a paradigm of perfection?" or, most importantly, "If she doesn't perceive my body as a paradigm of perfection... does it mean that it objectively isn't?". You might be using females as a non-biased (you might think that real mirrors have your subjective perception's bias) mirror you use to assess to what extent your body is what you want it to be. Therefore, just like a patient waiting for an important medical diagnosis, you begin to get all sorts of fears pumping in your head... "What if this turns out to end up in a female rejecting me?" and, from there, all the other destructive guesses are derived.

And, what's worse, fears tend to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. So, the fact that you are afraid of being rejected might, in turn, lead to rejection situations. You don't have to change how you act but how you perceive and interpret reality. Of course, this is WAY easier said than done. But, if you want to try, a little experiment is in order: haven't you ever felt that, if you get one of those phenibut highs were you become in harmony with life and your surroundings, even if you don't do anything, females tend to be more interested in you (however slight and/or subtle that increased interest is)?

I don't pretend to have the answers (I wish I had), but these are just hypotheses that might lead, if proven succesful, to a better life quality.

By the way, I would advice against seeking for help in books such as "The Game". I think it's the wrong approach... the author of the book seems to be remorseless about toying around with other people's feelings by following a methodology that is all about emulating behaviours and emotions. His game consists of pretending to be someone he is not, so that the other person believes that she has found what she's been looking for so long... in the end, he uses all this game of deception to get sex with her and dump her. I don't know to what extent I am beginning to sound like a moralist but such kind of behaviour, besides hurting some decent people which may fall victim to it, creates a very an increasing sense of insecurity (i.e. people suspecting and rejecting "good" people because there are many "bad" people that are able to emulate perfectly a "good" person's patterns of behaviour).

On the other hand, I can understand that all these words might be bullshit, since most females have proven that they couldn't care less about how good you are. The problem with books such as "The game" is that as a result of putting them into practice one of the "decent" females might end up being a victim of an individual using such methodology. That scenario would be very unethical from my point of view.

Try this..suppose to be the best PUA ebook out there. It's pretty much about "being a man".

http://www.gubb.devisland.net/The%20Book%20of%20Pook.pdf

BTW,someone mentioned the masturbation thing and I would agree. The take home message from this thread seems to be stop jerking off all the time. Go a week and things start happening.

Yeah, the PEA....

After taking 6 grams of phenibut, even if you took many other supps, there isn't much room for doubt as to what the cause of puking was. I mean... you expected to take 6 grams of phenibut over 3 hours and not get into trouble? hello?

I am very interested in this stack. As I have written several times, AMP2 gives me increased confidence and even verbal self-defense skills. I wonder how a downer (phenibut) would react with a stimulant (AMP2), how was your experience? Did you feel you needed a higher dose of phenibut to get the same effects due to AMP2 neutralizing part of phenibut's action?

I haven't been given the opportunity to see one. It is a desire I have though.



Insightful post from someone who has done some serious self diagonsis. I appreciate it.

I think I was the same as you for awhile there with the girls and the mirror determining my self worth. In fact I know I was. I was the leaness from the longest period of time in my life. I was also the most unhappy. I was an empty shell. Now I wont even wear cut-offs in the gym so I can't get lost in the mirror (so to speak). I've make it a conscious effort to stray away from this type of thinking, but the focial fear with females is still there. To the point that I am uncomfortable with an attractive female just being in the same room. It's extremely distracting.

I think my fear now stems from being rejected by my mother as a small child. Then, rejected from my father as a young adult. The funny thing is I've confronted my mother about it and we've come to terms on the issue but I still feel it's effects every day. I certainly agree with the sentiment that i should seek theropy on this to solve my social angst. As I said in a PM conversation with WoW - I feel that self medicating yourself could very much lead to a dependancy and I'm not willing to accept that. Using a substance to modify behavior may be more acceptable to me though. Something like refraining from masterbation so that when I pick up a new female I get the reward at the end of the night would be a way to start. The problem here is that past successful pickups are always willing to have another go, so this makes it a lot easier to cheat. Especially when you're horny and some chick is sending you dirty test messages with the promise that I don't even have to try to get some... This just means I must practice self control in that area as well. Demand that I get a new partner and not go back to the old ones. All in the hopes that I stop associating beautiful women with fear of rejection.

The obviousness of this not being a physical issue is expounded by the fact that when I do hook up with women they go on and on about how beautiful my body is and (seriously now, not tooting my own horn here - making a point) how "beautiful" my penis is. I've literally been told that. Several times actually. Ver batem. Anyhow, the point here is that even with positive verbal reinforcement it makes absolutely no difference when it comes to an attractive female that I don't know. If I know a woman wants me I'm straight up charismatic. You can't stop me. However, if I doubt her desire I fall to bits.

I know my insurance pays for some visits. I may look into a therapist. If I do I think I might keep a log on it. Not with personal details persay, but how I am supposed to over come them. I think it would really help all of us. If not anything else, it might motivate more of us to seek professional help.



I'll be checking this book out ASAP.

Yep, I'm not socially akward like I used to be. I'm just still too big of a pussy to initiate anything though but am much better when actually conversing, etc than I was

Plus, now at least I no longer obsess over it and let it depress me; I've kinda accepted it and take it in stride. I'm happy where I'm at even though it'd be nice to have a significant other.

Actually I do follow that... I'm so on the verge here
And funkodyssey, I want to clarify that wasn't a personal attack against you or your moral, and I thank you for the recommendation.
I just completely dispised the author and had no respect; and most the things he said were stuff you should already know or you REALLY don't have any game.
And I went on to read to page 148. I'm done.

I don't over do it with Phenibut, ever. When I use this combo, it's 400mg and 1-2 caps of AMP2, and some alcohol. Rhodiola goes well with this too.

I don't think it's as simple as...well this is a downer and this is an upper, so they're going to cancel each other out. I don't notice any neutralizing of anything really. Again, I'm not taking grams of Phenibut, just enough to produce an effect.

If you really want some confidence, try 50mgs Proviron, LOL

Batmite - spot on.



Jake - ditto for me from when I was at my leanest. I got there under the false assumption that my physical appearance was what was holding me back, only to find that I was more empty than ever when I achieved my goals but the intended effects I had imagined would follow did not. From that point on, I learned to train and desire to be lean for myself, and not others. Big benefits followed both socially and professionally.

he. I love Pook.

But it takes more than that.

I could have made a post of the same quality with wooden 'alphabet' blocks. Jesus Christ. At least try to type in complete thoughts.

Speaking of thoughts, your's are ridiculous and hold no water. Every one that said +1 to my comments have thereby stated that it's women whom don't show interest that we have problems with. I've never been a pushover with women in my life thanks to my father. Yes, some clingy women love it. An independant woman will tell you to go get fucked. Either way just about everything you said has nothing to do with what we're talking about. If this were a matter of us acting "gay" then I'm sure we could solve it without your insightful suggestions.

I don't think any of us are trying to imply that we have a hard time getting women. I honestly don't think that's the case. Women find me. I don't find them. That's the problem. If a woman shows interest I'm fine. I want to be able to spot a woman and go after her. Period. I can't. This is the problem. It has nothing to do with establishing dominance.

Being squeemish around women would be more hetero than say, implying that a guy is gay because he is afraid of rejection from attractive women.

Lost metal, you're the same guy who admitted terrible avoidance and spending an inordinate amount of time on lengthening your shlong. now you're teaching us confidence? this is silly.

Jake, my belief is that if you think you are not worthy enough to get some women, you probably aren't regardless if its your belief that caused the reality or vice versa. go and work on yourself. that's what I'm doing right now. its much tougher than building muscles, but its worth it.

one step ahead of you. hence the mention of not being so obsessed about my body. Actually... even concerned with it really. I'm picking up what you're laying down, for sure.

Good point btw. I had to read this a couple times to determine if you were insulting me or not. Without confidence you aren't good enough. I like that.

As promised....please download this. I swear to you its about as funny as Chip Douglas' uber meltdown thread, but without 4chan input from Frang.

this will probably get removed, but can you hold off until tomorrow so I can get a little distribution action

If my testimonial didn't sell you, let me give you a little taste of page 1

About The Author
Sanders Troy is has been picking up chicks for most of his
adult life. His success is due mainly to technique and
persistence.

Come on...at least one person had to read that by now. How funny is that?!?!

JD i have downloaded it and read the bit about 100 dollar shades and 150 shoes... im sure it is funny and I cant wait to read more

Rabbit boiler!

It all boils down to Survival and Replication my friends. Its genetically instilled in us. Download the Mystery Method Torrent with the Vids. Very helpful in understanding this...and where some of these feelings are from ( the anxiety). Forget that you are smarter than this stuff...take it with a grain of salt, and watch your weekends go from empty to overbooked. Took me a year, but my goals were to find a killer chic, not bag a 100 chics. I never would have met her if I didnt pick up 3 other girls that night....she worked her way into my circle. She came to meet me. I set off pre-selection in her brain, and my "avatar" so to speak reeled her in. I am totally myself...no fake, showboating, or routines. I just implore Alpha Male traits, and turn on the attraction switches in their brains. They are there for a reason. Survival of the fittest. If you do not reproduce in your lifetime...you are genetically extinct....I am not trying to reproduce with a 5 or a 6...I want a fuckin 10 ( brain and body). I chose...to choose....Attraction is not a choice.

Could you elaborate a little? You say that you had to date other 3 girls that night and that, as a result of (what?) the one that you really wanted came to you, without you having to do anything whatsoever. So, my question is: what was the factor that allowed you to get access to the situation where she decided to come and talk to you? Was it the result of increased self-confidence as a result of dating the other three? Telepathy?

Excellent stuff..I found the pdf. no videos and just read the whole thing. Hate reading books on the computer..anyways...good stuff and the previous poster above this post has that question answered in there as well.

I had met 3 others girls. One was with a guy next to us...we made convo, and blew the guy out, but it was in visual range with everyone else at the bar (including my current gf to be).

We partied with the other 2 from the bar ( i actually had them kiss, and i kissed one ...in view of my current gf to be, lol)

My gf to be came over sat down with my cousin ( blowing off her date) and saw the following over the 30 minutes watching me.


i displayed

• Alpha male qualities
• preselection
• social proof
• fun factor
• easy access

I made it easy for her to join in. She talked to my cousin...and prequalified me....while my cousin qualified her. My cousin gave me a wink to make the switch. My bro got the girl on my lap. Her friend got the hint to leave, and I got me a nice gf. If you want to understand more....read read read, lol.


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This was all within 4 months of learning PUA skills. The Game and Mystery Method. I still have HORRIBLE approach anxiety, but if you set the situation up right...you dont need to approach. The alpha girls...come to the alpha guys, lol. Id still rather cold approach girls, but for now my goal has been reached, and Im good to go....