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WeightOfWords
I've hit cloud 9 on PEA and hordenine. Frequent dosing, close to four 4 grams PEA total. But I threw up at the end smile.gif
SteveSliwa
QUOTE (WeightOfWords @ Jun 14 2008, 11:32 AM) *
I've hit cloud 9 on PEA and hordenine. Frequent dosing, close to four 4 grams PEA total. But I threw up at the end smile.gif


You may want to avoid using hordenine with PEA it could be inhibiting it's effects.

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=33961
Zalian
Wow 1-2 grams? I thought this sounded like a hella high dose!?
SteveSliwa
QUOTE (Zalian @ Jun 19 2008, 11:02 AM) *
Wow 1-2 grams? I thought this sounded like a hella high dose!?


To reach the brain some people seem to need 1-2 gram doses.
deekz
If your not taking an MAO-B inhibitor, then I would assume in order to "saturate" the enzyme, huge doses would need to be taken.
SteveSliwa
QUOTE (deekz @ Jun 19 2008, 08:11 PM) *
If your not taking an MAO-B inhibitor, then I would assume in order to "saturate" the enzyme, huge doses would need to be taken.


If huge is 250-1,500 mg then yes.
deekz
QUOTE (SteveSliwa @ Jun 20 2008, 02:54 AM) *
If huge is 250-1,500 mg then yes.


No Steve and I'll pretend you meant to say that in a nice, humoring way. I've always done it with an MAO-B inhibitor and 800-1,500 (some ridiculous # like that) is WAY too much. Now for people not taking an MAO-B inhibitor, then 1,500 may not be that bad. I was stating "huge doses" relative to someone who does take PEA with an MAOB inhibitor.
CustomNW
I hardly feel anything at 1g, so I have to up the dose.
SteveSliwa
QUOTE (deekz @ Jun 23 2008, 11:26 AM) *
No Steve and I'll pretend you meant to say that in a nice, humoring way. I've always done it with an MAO-B inhibitor and 800-1,500 (some ridiculous # like that) is WAY too much. Now for people not taking an MAO-B inhibitor, then 1,500 may not be that bad. I was stating "huge doses" relative to someone who does take PEA with an MAOB inhibitor.


If you're taking an MAO-B inhibitor then I would suggest 10-60 mg of PEA. I've used 2-3 grams with deprenyl and had no problem however but I'm sure it can be too strong for some people.
SteveSliwa
QUOTE (CustomNW @ Jun 23 2008, 12:20 PM) *
I hardly feel anything at 1g, so I have to up the dose.


Try 1 gram then 30 mins later 1-1.5 grams.
WeightOfWords
Update...

1 gram PEA after a week of 1mg Deprynl ED (7 days) was lovelyyyyyyyyyyyy. smile.gif Complete body and mind high... Felt fuzzy. WAY talkative... Wonder if I could have sex on this?

Shit's going to be illegal. CN, you sell it as a standalone, and taht's wonderful.. But is there anywhere I can join that will get me in on a "discount" or "members price" club? Because, and I mean this with all respect, your prices are way higher than alot of places but I'd still rather purchase from you.

For instance, your price for piracetam and Nutra's price for piracetam. I am sure you have a reason for the price difference, I just don't know what it is. smile.gif

Thanks

EDIT: I just look at your prices and nutra's, and I retract what I said. There is barely any price difference, and we are looing at capped nicely labeled product (yours) versus bulk powder. I feel like an ass now. Sorry, your prices are low now that I looked around a bit. I don't know what made me think they were high.

Still, any member program? smile.gif
SteveSliwa
QUOTE (WeightOfWords @ Jun 23 2008, 02:21 PM) *
Update...

1 gram PEA after a week of 1mg Deprynl ED (7 days) was lovelyyyyyyyyyyyy. smile.gif Complete body and mind high... Felt fuzzy. WAY talkative... Wonder if I could have sex on this?

Shit's going to be illegal. CN, you sell it as a standalone, and taht's wonderful.. But is there anywhere I can join that will get me in on a "discount" or "members price" club? Because, and I mean this with all respect, your prices are way higher than alot of places but I'd still rather purchase from you.

For instance, your price for piracetam and Nutra's price for piracetam. I am sure you have a reason for the price difference, I just don't know what it is. smile.gif

Thanks


Well Deprenyl itself can improve sex PEA seems to have little effect based on small feedback so far.
I would buy it from where ever you like. I can't discuss my website here btw.
CN however generally has great prices and their Piracetam 500 grams should be back in stock in a week or so. $14.99 for 500 grams I believe.
CustomNW
QUOTE (WeightOfWords @ Jun 23 2008, 03:21 PM) *
But is there anywhere I can join that will get me in on a "discount" or "members price" club?

Still, any member program? smile.gif


Would you join the IC if we ran a special on Cognative Nutritions stuff? rolleyes.gif
CustomNW
QUOTE (SteveSliwa @ Jun 23 2008, 03:28 PM) *
I would buy it from where ever you like. I can't discuss my website here btw.


Oh shit, I dont think I can either.
SteveSliwa
QUOTE (CustomNW @ Jun 23 2008, 02:28 PM) *
Would you join the IC if we ran a special on Cognative Nutritions stuff? rolleyes.gif



QUOTE (CustomNW @ Jun 23 2008, 02:30 PM) *
Oh shit, I dont think I can either.


You can discuss the Cognitive Nutrition brand all you like. wink.gif
WeightOfWords
QUOTE (SteveSliwa @ Jun 24 2008, 04:28 AM) *
Well Deprenyl itself can improve sex PEA seems to have little effect based on small feedback so far.
I would buy it from where ever you like. I can't discuss my website here btw.
CN however generally has great prices and their Piracetam 500 grams should be back in stock in a week or so. $14.99 for 500 grams I believe.


That's a bloody freaking amazing price.
CN = Cognitive Nutrition
Coz = Cozmar

I'm already a paying member of eliteshitness smile.gif

Now coz just needs the bulk active from MAN Blueprint.
CustomNW
QUOTE (SteveSliwa @ Jun 23 2008, 09:58 PM) *
You can discuss the Cognitive Nutrition brand all you like. wink.gif


Ive been slackin, I got to get the Cognative stuff back up.
Jay Black
Any idea if PEA would be able to crush a woman's chocolate craving during her special time of the month? This has been an impossible feat to accomplish so far with all the OTC appetite suppressants I've tried so far, but I'm wondering if like 10 HEAT caps a day and maybe 1.5g PEA would take care of it (since chocolate has PEA and tyramine in it, could it be the craving for that?)...?
batmite
QUOTE (Jay Black @ Jul 1 2008, 05:56 AM) *
Any idea if PEA would be able to crush a woman's chocolate craving during her special time of the month? This has been an impossible feat to accomplish so far with all the OTC appetite suppressants I've tried so far, but I'm wondering if like 10 HEAT caps a day and maybe 1.5g PEA would take care of it (since chocolate has PEA and tyramine in it, could it be the craving for that?)...?


I don't think chocolate cravings are PEA related, since the amount of PEA in chocolate is almost nil. It's more likely to be caffeine related, although it might be related to any of the many psychoactive constituents of cocoa.

batmite
I have been taking a look at the many bb.com PEA logs. It seems that many of these people are not stacking it with deprenyl and yet they are getting results that can be classified as exceptional from their point of view. As I see it, the key seems to be what Steve has pointed out many times: if you don't take deprenyl, try taking high doses... 1-2 grams. After having read all this, I infer that taking a 1-2 gram dose would lead to an exceptional short-lived high of around thirty minutes and that, if this high is to be prevented from vanishing, one has to take a 500mg dose every now and then.

It looks like a good plan, because PEA is not particularly expensive... my only concern is... do we have any data to assess whether or not PEA has significant liver/renal toxicity? I ask this because such high doses make me somewhat uncomfortable. The fact that their psychoactive effect is not that great doesn't mean the liver doesn't have to filter it. Of course, I am just hypothesizing, since I have no data whatsoever to suggest that PEA could be liver taxing. But it's better safe than sorry.

SteveSliwa
QUOTE (batmite @ Jul 1 2008, 01:40 PM) *
I have been taking a look at the many bb.com PEA logs. It seems that many of these people are not stacking it with deprenyl and yet they are getting results that can be classified as exceptional from their point of view. As I see it, the key seems to be what Steve has pointed out many times: if you don't take deprenyl, try taking high doses... 1-2 grams. After having read all this, I infer that taking a 1-2 gram dose would lead to an exceptional short-lived high of around thirty minutes and that, if this high is to be prevented from vanishing, one has to take a 500mg dose every now and then.

It looks like a good plan, because PEA is not particularly expensive... my only concern is... do we have any data to assess whether or not PEA has significant liver/renal toxicity? I ask this because such high doses make me somewhat uncomfortable. The fact that their psychoactive effect is not that great doesn't mean the liver doesn't have to filter it. Of course, I am just hypothesizing, since I have no data whatsoever to suggest that PEA could be liver taxing. But it's better safe than sorry.


PEA's a natural compound in the brain and it's metabolites are not liver toxic. I don't see an issue.

The effects of PEA lasts most of a day as far as mood enhancement goes.
orthomolecular
QUOTE (SteveSliwa @ Jul 1 2008, 04:42 PM) *
PEA's a natural compound in the brain and it's metabolites are not liver toxic. I don't see an issue.

The effects of PEA lasts most of a day as far as mood enhancement goes.


I was thinking a timed-released or sustained released form might be interesting to try.

I took about an eight of a teaspoon last year while on deprenyl. That gave me an amazing increase in mood and energy which lasted maybe for a half hour to an hour at most I think.

I recently tried 250 mg and didn't notice much difference but I'm not taking deprenyl. (I do take 4 grams of DLPA per day.). A couple days later I tried 500 mg. I had a bit of a headache. The next day I experience some brief anxiety which I haven't experiernced in some time. PEA was the only change so I think 500 is too high. I will try it again because I think it has definite benefits; I'm not sure how to tap into its benefits though. Maybe timed released or maybe the right combo of other supplements or maybe the precise dose.

I don't care for products that have a combo of supplements. I prefer to take each thing separately, generally. But there might be a combo of supplements with PEA I would consider trying if only someone would come up with that combo. Deprenyl obviously enhances it, but I think DLPA may augment it too to a lesser degree. I'm not sure if anything else may have some syngeristic effects with it.
SteveSliwa
QUOTE (orthomolecular @ Jul 1 2008, 05:22 PM) *
I was thinking a timed-released or sustained released form might be interesting to try.

I took about an eight of a teaspoon last year while on deprenyl. That gave me an amazing increase in mood and energy which lasted maybe for a half hour to an hour at most I think.

I recently tried 250 mg and didn't notice much difference but I'm not taking deprenyl. (I do take 4 grams of DLPA per day.). A couple days later I tried 500 mg. I had a bit of a headache. The next day I experience some brief anxiety which I haven't experiernced in some time. PEA was the only change so I think 500 is too high. I will try it again because I think it has definite benefits; I'm not sure how to tap into its benefits though. Maybe timed released or maybe the right combo of other supplements or maybe the precise dose.

I don't care for products that have a combo of supplements. I prefer to take each thing separately, generally. But there might be a combo of supplements with PEA I would consider trying if only someone would come up with that combo. Deprenyl obviously enhances it, but I think DLPA may augment it too to a lesser degree. I'm not sure if anything else may have some syngeristic effects with it.


Timing of the dose is the key. I would drop the DLPA as it may be causing the anxiety. All our our loggers are reporting reduced anxiety.
Sup3rman
So i've been missing for awhile while trying to get my business straightened out but i have been doing some research on phenylethylamine and of course i had my doubts. I tried 1gram on an empty stomach yesterday and it put me in a great mood. I felt very happy and I was quite talkative. I did not receive the full body ecstasy style high that I see described in so many of the peoples experiences.

About an hour ago i took 1.5 on an empty stomach and I was taking care of some paper work thinking "damn this stuff isn't at all like what people are comparing it to", then like a hit of E i instantly felt a wave of euphoria pass through my brain. It then proceeded wave through to my limbs and i actually stumbled a little bit as I tried take a step in this altered state. I instantly had a huge grin come across my face and my secretary just looks at me and blatantly asks me what I'm on. I continue to talk for a minute and then proceed to my computer were I am sitting now listening to some music.

I have to say that this stuff could certainly be bad ass for a recreational drug if I can get the dosing correct. If the effects could be prolonged that would be more ideal than having to re-dose but I will certainly have to try re-dosing this weekend. I also have some deprenyl on the way and am now pretty excited to see what the combo will yield.
SteveSliwa
QUOTE (Sup3rman @ Jul 3 2008, 03:27 PM) *
So i've been missing for awhile while trying to get my business straightened out but i have been doing some research on phenylethylamine and of course i had my doubts. I tried 1gram on an empty stomach yesterday and it put me in a great mood. I felt very happy and I was quite talkative. I did not receive the full body ecstasy style high that I see described in so many of the peoples experiences.

About an hour ago i took 1.5 on an empty stomach and I was taking care of some paper work thinking "damn this stuff isn't at all like what people are comparing it to", then like a hit of E i instantly felt a wave of euphoria pass through my brain. It then proceeded wave through to my limbs and i actually stumbled a little bit as I tried take a step in this altered state. I instantly had a huge grin come across my face and my secretary just looks at me and blatantly asks me what I'm on. I continue to talk for a minute and then proceed to my computer were I am sitting now listening to some music.

I have to say that this stuff could certainly be bad ass for a recreational drug if I can get the dosing correct. If the effects could be prolonged that would be more ideal than having to re-dose but I will certainly have to try re-dosing this weekend. I also have some deprenyl on the way and am now pretty excited to see what the combo will yield.


Great feedback!
Zalian
Fuck Happy Meals, PEA is the greatest source of happiness! I've used PEA in combo products and liked the effects. I've used straight PEA a few times but never went over 500mg. After reading this thread I tried 1g after I arrived home from work this morning (I work night shift). I had a fantastic elevation of mood that quite suddenly rolled into the best high that I have ever experienced. I was trying to cap some vitex, but I found that sitting and watching Poke'mon with my son was an amazing experience! The colors of my HD television were more beautiful than ever, the purple in particular was gorgeous. I was in a euphoria that was so intense and pleasurable that I just enjoyed inhaling and exhaling. The best way that I can describe it is that it was like the sensation of coming out of unconsciousness, my skin was alive with a slight pins-and-needles sensation.....I fail to find words to describe accurately how it feels mentally, but all I know is that it felt better than the best marijuana, the best alcohol buzz or any other substance that I have ever used. Abso-fucking-lutely amazing! I can't believe it is legal, and I do hope it continues to be!
After maybe an hour of rolling on the peak of the effect I slowly started to come down slightly. Then my libido skyrocketed. I grabbed the wife and had some great sex which culminated in a mind-splitting orgasm. People, please try this with sex! No other pro-sexual substance comes close (no pun intended).
I'm still in awe of how great this substance is in the right dosage. I am still feeling great many hours later. Very optimistic, patient and mellow. I hope that it continues to work like this. I can't wait to take another gram. I need to be sharp during the work week, I'm only going to use this on weekends so I can hopefully maintain this glorious effect.
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