http://cognitivenutrition.com/index.php?ta...;product_id=126

I'll be using this for the next month,given the research on this compound I'm looking forward to this run.

Dosage will be 2 pills per day,taken apart from fatty meals when possible.

As of the last month I've been slacking with both aniracetam and piractam dosing and have been feeling pretty lethargic. I've started back up on them and will note any synergy between the racetams and PPC beyond what I've seen with prior choline supplementation.

Nice log.

Cool, I'll be following.

What other choline supps have you tried that you will be able to compare it to?

I've run the gamut with nootropics and as far as choline sources or related compounds are concerned,I've used the following:

DMAE
centro
Alpha-GPC
choline b.
lecithin (20 grams ED)

Steve supplied me with one bottle of this and I am going to buy a second as an extension to make this a 60 day log,I figure I owe Steve a thorough log for being generous with the handful of complimentary supplements he included along with the PPC.I heart The Stevemeister,in a totally non-ghey way,I should add

Can I get three cheers for Steve-a-rooni?
...enough with the pedantic and thinly veiled latent homosexual undertones,I've digressed....

Well,I also think this compound holds a lot of promise not only WRT cognitive enhancement but as a means of favorably effecting body composition.I place its prime value as a highly effective defense against AAS induced liver toxicity.That said,after the first 30 day period is completed,I will be starting off on a 12 week AAS cycle with Masteron/Proviron for 10 weeks with test e during the final 4 weeks.I will have my liver values tested post cycle and will post results in this thread.

Nice comparison. PPC is a far better choline donor for the brain than DMAE, choline, and crappy lecithin. If you need anymore blood test forms let me know!

test e when finishing a cycle? might want to rethink that

So how do you plan on measuring/reporting the effects? PPC is primarily used for hepatic disorders, so blood work for various liver enzyme markers seem prudent. I highly doubt that the PPC will result in conscious changes of mental state, and doesn't appear to be a "cognitive enhancer," (unless there is some research that needs posting). PC itself generally isn't very effective in treating cognitive impairments, and tends to have little to no effect.

I can concur with dopamine on this, I've been taking 1g jarrow PPC for about 2 months. I can't say I've noticed anything terribly profound, though I don't turn yellow anymore after a night of heavy drinking.

Kidding.

(About the jaundice.)

Actually,I could use another set of blood test forms,thanks.



I will have blood work done as I'm mostly interested in PPC for liver health/protection while using AAS.

When not using the forms of choline I have used in the past,in combination with racetams and ALCAR,I generally felt off.I would be prone to headaches and would feel mentally sluggish despite 2 racetams and ALCAR usage.While using a choline source along with pir,ani and ALCAR such problems would not arise at all.I don't expect PPC to exert cognitive enhacement beyond the level of aniracetam or piracetam as both have proven to have a profound effect on my level of functioning.However,I do expect synergystic benefits between the aforementioned nootropics and PPC.

Jarrow's is under dosed.

I thought the point of logging this was to determine if there are any perceived performance enhancement or hypertrophic effects? Is that not what was discussed in the Anabolics forum? And now you're going to be juicing. This is exactly what I was talking about in that original thread. I'm not trying to "dog" you, I think I make a valid point.

That would be a valid point and I'd agree with you fully if I was logging for the reasons you stated.

However,I'm using PPC to see how it fares as a liver protectant from AAS and I will be having blood work done at the 60 day mark.The secondary reason for the log is gauging its effect as a choline source WRT nootropic usage.

My mistake. But in my defense, the title of the original thread was "PPC in repeated resistance training, Building leaner body mass and reducing muscle damage".

Personally, I'd like to see someone log it in that context, as we already have a dozen effective liver protecting supplements.

But, good luck, I hope this stuff keeps your liver from turning into mush again.

Oh, if this is a PPC as (part of) PCT thread, I'm interested in seeing bloodwork, too.

Are you using oral methyls? I'd really be interested then.

Sorry for the confusion,I've decided to change things a bit.

The first three weeks of this log will be relegated to subjective feedback alone regarding PPC's effects on conditioning/strength as well as its role as a choline donor with interactions betweens nootropics noted.

I will start on a moderate dose masteron+proviron cycle (mast injected,prov oral) along with 10mg Havoc ED for 10 to 12 weeks after 21 days on PPC.

I may or may not use a lower end dose of test e towards the end of the cycle.

After 60 days on PPC I will have blood work done with follow up blood work done at end of the cycle,this will require another bottle of PPC (3 bottles and 90 days altogether) so I'll ante up with my next order at CN.

How's it going?

Well,I wanted to give it a while before making any judgements as I thought the effects would be subtle and I was correct.

It's working on the same level as Alpha GPC would as far as serving as a choline donor and complimenting racetams.

Strength has slightly improved on some technical lifts (most noteworthy are DB snatches,which I've been doing heavier along the lines of 5x6x75 with minimal rest intervals).I haven't tried 1RM singles on snatching but I think I could probably get 90 with each arm without form swaying.

Cool when you need more pills or blood tests pm me.

Is this the same stuff that's in the product called "PhosChol?"

In terms of hepatic protection, how would this compare to something like Ursodeoxycholic Acid, theoretically-speaking?

Same brand different name.

PPC has more research and based on mode of action far better.

Here's a massively detailed report.

Thanks, I'll check that out!

Well,I can say with certainty that my thinking is consistently more clear in comparison to time off of racetams and exponentially moreso with PPC in the use.I've been dosing one to two pills twice per day for just a bit over a month now.

As far as increasing physical stamina is concerned there hasn't been a profound difference but I should note that I use ergogenics regularly and have been for some time (beta alanine and SyntheSIZE) as well as liberal amounts of caffiene and the like.This is further compounded by the amount of very taxing physical activity I engage in six days weekly.There has been some noteworthy improvement though but it's difficult to quantify the degree of improvement with the forementioned variables to account for.

Update us Colin. plz

Very interested in this...

I ran out of my supply shortly after my last post so I've not much to offer WRT an update.There has not been a signifigant drop off in mental nor physical performance but I did go with another choline donor as I already had a decent chunk of DMAE lying around.

No blood work was ever done as my source shafted me so it would be a moot point and now it appears as though I will finally be starting a anavar/masteron cycle within a week.

Steve has supplied me with a couple more bottles and some CBC kits in order to gauge my health.

Well I started back up on this on the last week of my var/havoc cycle at 2 caps per day in place of milk thistle,rec'd the goods to late to run with the entire 4 week cycle.I began the cycle on 60mg var ED and 125masteron EOD but had to drop the mast due to improper formulation so subbed Hsvoc in its place at 20 then 30-40mg per day.Havoc at 40mg killed my joints.Bad,bad idea.

I plan on bloodwork shortly,as soon as my schedule allows.I ended the cycle a few days short of 4 weeks as I was feeling lethargic and all around unwell.I'm on 90mg ralox now as PCT with 25mg clomid EOD,backed down from 25mg ED as my joints weren't fond of the two.

I still feel pretty damn subpar and haven't lifted in 9 days.The positive effects noted during my last run on PPC are now absent but this is likely due to my T levels being utterly shot,I surely over did things with this cycle.

Another 3 weeks of PCT left and I'll have a week washout (while staying on PPC) then will begin masteron 100mg EOD,50mg var ED and 50mg proviron ED for 4 weeks.

Then will have CBC kit done.Followed by 4 week toremiphene PCT with a 1 week washout period.

Followed by the same var,mast,prov outline.Another CBC kit post cycle.This will amount to 4 months of continual PPC supplementation altogether and 3 liver tests done.

How come you used PPC in place of milk thistle and not with it? Was this to assess PPC's effectiveness?

Yes,the research on liver protection via PPC is convincing,as I see it.

Supremedan had piss poor liver values a while back then high dosed lecithin and his testing came back with four gold stars.

I was overzealous for around two weeks ,which is what did my cycle in.So far as dosing around 40-50mg var thrice daily with 40mg Havoc ED coupled with liberal but acute bezafibrate usage when calories went over 2500 for the day.

Starting back up on this next week and will have blood work done beforehand and lab work done at least at the close of 3 month run and probably at the halfway point as well.

Over the course of the next 3 months I'm using oxandrolone at 60 mg ED for 2 weeks at a time with clomid as PCT.First 4 off of var days is 100mg clomid ED then 25mg for the next 7 days.Next two weeks I'm running DNP (500-750mg crytalline ED) and GPA along with clomid while dropping the var.In addition to the var while off DNP and GPAand rhodilia (all 3 of these deplete ATP),I will be taking in beta alanine and argiine ethyl ester twice,both on an AM and PM dosing split to hasten var's positive effects on ATP production,among their other benefits.ATP.All the while in a 500-1000 kcal deficit and I will be drinking a few pints of Guinness one night a week.Training on average twice per day,lots of running with weight training going near and to failure ED on at a 1/4 of my working sets.

So my body is taking a thorough arse beating but all in all it is ironically a pleasant beating that I'm looking forward to each day.I'm feeling pretty good at 1700-2000 kcals per day with the oodles of weight faring and running.In theory,PPC should help offset adrenal fatigue and overtraining,I'm curious to see how this plays out.

I thought that one of the best liver supps to take on cycle was a form of ALA along with a selection of antioxidants?

i remember doing the same SD cycle wthout ALA and liver enzymes came back like 4 times the normal range
and the next time i added alal+others and the values were just a little over double the normal
both tests done one day after last dosage of the sd.

8 months after my last cycle last year all values were back to low normal range

Milk thistle is arguably the best on cycle supplement to use,ALA would follow it in order of importance.

I was and am interested in running PPC a while back because of the healthy liver values SupremeDan's posted while high dosing lecithin with using 2-3 steroids in simultaneous usage.With PPC being the aspect of lecithin that is hepoprotective,I chose it for this reason and its apparent ability to help stave off overtraining symptoms.With DNP and GPA being used while off of var (PPC will be used for the the next 2.5 months straight) and training twice per day I expect over training to manifest itself within a week or two from now.So we'll see PPC fares WRT staving off feelings of meh and what not.