Product specifics:

Supplement Facts:
Serving Size 1 capsule
Serving per container 90

Amount per serving:
2a,3a-Epithio-17a-methyl-17B-hydroxy-5a-androstane 7.5mg
4-Chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17b-diol 12.5mg
Herbal Blend: 480mg: 54%Garlic Bulb, 40% Milk Thistle and 1%bromelain.

Other ingredients:
Dicalcium Phosphate

Suggested Usage:
Take four (4) to six (6) capsules daily. Do not exceed six (6) capsules within a 24 hour period of time.


Zsupps Take on Epichlorol






The Tester:

Relaxed





Pseudo Posing





Gyno:



note the crease from the nipple down the back of the pec when flexed. I know picture quality is horrible, but it's still visible.


Jake's Thoughts And Testing Parameters

Epi-clones I think have had more of an impact on the industry for their strength and partitioning effects. The effects reported on reducing gyno I believe stems more from the tester leaning out rather than any apoptosis of mammary cells which is key for gyno reduction. It's important to note that no epi product company has claimed it has any effect WRT gyno reduction. I also wouldn't consider Epichlorol just another epi clone though. So I'm excited to see the results. I'll be keeping an eye on mine and keep every one updated.

My expectations will be to gain strength (which will be apparent) and a hardening/partitioning effect. I'm going to try to keep my weight at or around 180 which is where I'll be beginning the log at. Maybe I little heavier since I'm on a weekend refeed which tends to a a binge more than anything else. Water retention can be seen in the picture from some carb specific binging from last night.

My take on zsupps is they are new, but headed in the right direction. They seem to have some business ethics like not spamming and they keep pimping to their own sub-forum which is appropriate. I definately support their efforts to thrive in the industry. Check out the zsupps subforum to see some of his thoughts on up and coming products coming soon.

I'll also be checking out facial hair growth and libido as both will be easy to see a change in. I can usually go two days without cleaning up the edges of my beard (which is a chin strap, progression will be seen in my cheeks which are patchy at best). I'm expecting to see anything here, but it'd be interesting if I did. On the libido issue, I have no sexual partner and have been obstaining from masterbation until the weekends. This is highly unusual for me as I had been a once a day guy since I could hold pencil. A drop in my ability to hold off for the weekend would be easily manifested.
Diet

I'll be continuing on with my diet outlined in my log. Which is:

Monday - (speed bench day) 2-500 cal deficit. Carbs minimal. Fasted cardio in the AM. Weight training in the PM
Tuesday - (max leg day) 200 deficit - daily requirement. Carbs will at breakfast and before weight training. AM cardio and PM weights.
Wednesday - (am cardio only) 500 cal deficit. Fasted AM cardio
Thursday - (max bench day) 200 deficit - daily requirement. Carbs will at breakfast and before weight training. AM cardio and PM weights.
Friday - (powerclean - curl day) 2-500 deficit. AM cardio.
Saturday - (speed legs) binge day - my choice on how much of what when.
Sunday - (rest day) binge day.

notes: most calories are eaten after weight training. I'll be split dosing so that I would get screwed by half lifes when I'm recovering from weight training as well as to utilize it while doing fasted cardio. When dosing before weight training I'll be taking it with fat. In the mornings for fasted cardio obviously it will be on an empty stomach.


Other supplements:

Fish oil
CLA
GTE
Ginseng
multi vitamin

Dosage scheme

wk1: 2/day
wk2: 2/day
wk3: 3/day
wk4: 5/day till finished

As outlined by babyblue

Experience:

PH experience is par I would say. I've done two runs of 17-HD when it first came out. I did an extended cycle with 1,4AD and topical 6-oxo. I've done two cycles of Havoc, one with Epistane, and have run an Activate/Nettle stack. I also have had experiences with SERMs and an AI.

Training questions can be posted here: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=32116

Thanks Jake, looks very comprehensive. We appreciate it. But an FYI, I have to pimp wherever I go: the shower, the dairy aisle in the grocery, when I'm replacing the alternator on my whip, etc.

A note on the dosage: the word seems to be that it takes a little longer for the 4-chloro to kick in than the epi. Therefore I have backloaded this cycle because I hope that by ramping up the dose at the end, the strength gains of the 4-chloro will come in.

bb

Good luck.

Please describe history of AAS/PH use.

Good catch HeavyLifter. I forgot to ask Jake to put up some history.

bb

I knew I forgot something, thanks Heavy. Editted.

I'm glad you have a point of comparison for Epistane & Havoc!

bb

I also wanted to thank you Jake for putting up the pictures of the bottle and the pills and also putting our logo on your thread!! It really looks great! You are pretty damn cut at 180! Whats your height? I need to start ramping up the cardio and diet aids for spring!!

bb

tell me your joking.... I was pretty apprehensive about posting those since I'm definately puffy. This winter has been a strange one for my physique. Not to mention recent turmoil in my personal life.

Anyhow, I'm 5'11. Long limbs. Most bf rests on my lower abs and chest.

Im on the perpetual bulk it seems. I'm 185-190 at 5ft8 or 9, I need to lose about 15lbs of blubber.

bb

Thank you very much Jake!
You will feel Epichlorol's effects within days of use.
Z

Day 3

Most pronounced effects so far are a considerable raise in feelings of wellbeing. I'm almost lot more aggresive than normal as well. I almost ripped some kid's face off and used it as a sock puppet at the gym for looking at me funny. Strength wasn't anything incredibly abnormal so far, but I'mnot expecting to see much of that on a speed bench day. Pumps might be slightly increased as well, but that could have everything to do with coming off of a binge straight into a heavy caloric deficit.

So basically, its a mix of Halodrol clone and an Epistane clone?

Looks like you would need 4/day. Dont know what the price is, but you would need a few bottles it looks like..

4 caps daily would yield 22 days

Thanks

Z

Halodrol is fairly slow acting, most are reporting cycles of 4-6 weeks to report any performance increase..

Just saw that it was only 39.99, so not a bad deal.. Thought they would overprice it like other companies..

Thank you,

We stick to our promise and will continue to offer affordable products.

Thanks

Z

oh geez... I had no idea this product was being discontinued..

Oh no! I meant there will be singles added as well.

Thanks Jake!

Z

Yes most people say that the gains from halodrol come in the end of the cycle. That is why I asked Jake to backload the cycle by upping the dosage at the end when the halodrol should be kicked in.

Please review the ingredients OYI; I think you will see we (aka 'they') have put together a great product for the price. Also please check out our COA's which Z posted.

bb

Cool, would definitely love to see an oxyguno clone, assuming the price is right


Awesome, looking forward to it..

Thank you, the price will be RIGHT and it will be the correct ingredient and NOT underdosed, I may even get the tabs since they are more accurate than the capsules, we'll see.

Thanks

Z

PS: please notice that none of my products contain "hidden" ingredients such as CEE which at dosages of only 3 grams daily can cause strength gains and good pumps

subscribing

well because I'm an idiot, I took my pre workout pill from the bottle and set it on my desk. I instantly got distracted by something else and didn't realize it didn't make it into my stomach until after I got back from my workout. I took it immediately upon realizing it wasn't swimming like a fish (around an hour post workout).

Partitioning is expected. Feeling a slight euphoria actually... with an underlying stim-like feel. Well being is up again.

Any garlic burps yet?

bb

It would be sweet if a company could come out with a product that was highly androgenic with very little on the side of mass, sorta like the old MDHT or M5AA..


FYI, lol

Wouldnt you want to front load it if its slow acting? Kinda like front loading EQ? Just thinking out loud here. Nice log Jake.

thanks custom. Experienced my first garlic burp today. No big deal. No stomach irritation either. It was taken on an empty stomach.

CNW

Well personally I believe front loading orals can lead to increased incidence of side effects. From my personal experience, its been better to ramp the dosages up as my body adjusts to the AAS. Also the Epistane is much more fast acting than the 4-chloro so the gains should be steady from the beginning, and hopefully based on this method, the gains will actually increase exponentially at the end. What I'm trying to say is that the rate of gains (not the cumulative gains which will get larger throughout the cycle) should increase at the end.

Did Z Supps get that out to you CNW?

bb

I see what your sayin'.

I got his email, but Ive been slammed with this head cold, so Im playin catchup right now.

Great. Let me know when you post it on your website so I can announce it in the Z Supps forum!

bb

Yeah I'm a garlic fanatic so I was fine with it. It was a little noticeable at 6 caps per day...

Failed to raise the incline press max. First max I've failed to beat in 5 weeks.. I also got 2.5 hours of sleep tuesday. The day after next is always supposed to be the one effected... Damn.

Wednesday I had to touch myself... I cried a little.. but this could be attributed to going to a strip club with someone else's money on the previously mentioned tuesday night.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crasterbation

At 3 caps today the burps were much more pronounced. Still not an issue. I get the same when I season with garlic powder.

check the log for new PRs set today... Hardening effects are starting to manifest themselves.

Sounds good Jake. The strength increases should be steady as the 4-chloro starts to work its mojo. If you can post pics later this week it would be much appreciated.

bb

Pics will be no problem. I'll do them on Fri or Sat to coincide with the one taken at the beginning of the log.

Back pumps...... I don't want to jump to conclusions as correlation = / causation... but back pumps were so bad this morning I couldn't walk on my normal incline on the treadmill. Two factors go into me not blaming epi just yet -

1. PR's on SLDLs Sat were unreal and some remaining inflamation could be causing them
2. I didn't do cardio Sat. or Sunday.

tomorrow will be the test. I need that lower back for max squats tomorrow...

Jake what is your taurine intake? I dont remember if I had back pumps using EpiChlorol or not. I did have elevated bp but that is partly genetic and expected.

Plus there isnt a need to 'blame' EpiChlorol b/c with a lot of oral AAS it is an expected effect to have back pumps, same as you would expect lbm gains and strength gains.

bb

That made me laugh. Now Jake you better not be blaming epichlorol when you are jacked n tan at the end of the log ya hear.

Well I don't think I blamed epi at all... So not sure where you're going with that.

Back pumps ARE normal with orals, so if I were to experience back pumps I would indeed be justified to blame the oral I was taking. Wouldn't you agree? But as I've said twice now - this isn't the case.

This log is about reporting all effects, not just the positive ones. Just want to make sure we're all on the same page with that.

I didn't list a taurine supplement as an ancillary because I'm not taking one. Should I be?

- lol Method.

I expect you to report all results. Your use of the word 'blame', not my choice of words: "Two factors go into me not blaming epi just yet -" has a negative connotation, like you were not expecting back pumps or the presence of back pumps are negative as a marker of effectiveness, when in fact back pumps would be the opposite IMO.

If the back pumps are keeping you from going thru your normal workouts then I would add in some taurine.

bb

You failed highlight the word before it. Back pumps are a reported effect. Yes they are looked upon by me - the logger as negative. I'll take some taurine. Thanks bb

I could have also highlighted the last 2 words. Back pumps, high BP, drain on the liver, cholesterol effects, etc. are all part n parcel of oral AAS usage. Its near impossible to achieve good results w/no side effects (at least using AAS; SARMs or peptides are another story).

bb

I think Jake's point is that there's a certain logic to using a negative word to characterize a negative side effect. Seems silly to quibble over considering he clearly stated that he wasn't attributing the effects to the product.

Thank you Jinx. This is the case. A negative side effect is what it is. Ignoring the elephant in the room doesn't make it go away. I feel that this is an acurate depiction of my experience with epi. Experiencing a negative side effect is also part of the experience as you stated. So now that you've admitted that it's an effect why are you so up in arms with my wording? I think you're drawing more attention to it that need be.

Is OK, when you use AAS you get acne, your balls shrink, you get lower back pumps, your blood pressure goes up, bad cholesterol but you will also make mass and strength gains.

Is expected, I'd be dissapointed if you did not get any lower pumps, acne or any of the common negative side effects all AAS oral and injectable can cause

thanks Jake!

Z

back pumps were prominent when pressing last night. The arch in my back was enough to aggrivate it. However, this morning while it was present it wasn't as bad. I was able to maintain my incline on the treadmill for 20 minutes.

Libido is up. Refratory period has declined a little (based on the planned weekend break from abstinance).

On a gyno note - chest fat has been constant while puffiness is down. Yah! I have added Muira Puama to the stack this past week along with CLA (thin fat). Muira Puama powder isn't horrible.. but I'm about done with bulk powders. A capping machine is in my future.

PR's set last night. Check the log.

EDIT: I also feel like I should report a weaker urin stream. As is expected. Now has been reported.

Thanks Jake. Personally I invested in a capping machine after tasting Cycle Support I cap up bulk maca w/bulk horny goat weed. I would rather parachute than taste most bulks tho. Thanks for the gyno info. I have personally found the anti-gyno props of the Epi compound to be overrated.

bb

ditto on both accounts. Cycle support is ridiculous... I can't believe they sold that to people in powder form.

Previously I haven't noticed any gyno reduction with epi, but I also haven't paired it up with Muira P. and CLA.

What??? You dont like the taste of baby vomit??? Yes and what really cracks me up is that the capped version is 1/2 dosage.

bb

For those privileged enough to gain access to outlaw ( a board I have been a member since 2004 and coming from Old Meso ) please check this log:
http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44663
Thank you
Z

So strength is up and libido is up too? Sounds great Jake. What about weight?

bb