[ippon]

Hey,

On cycle I get elevated LDL levels from using enough arimidx to keep my E2 levels normal. Is clomid the best option to keep this from happening, and should 25mg/day do the trick (or hopefully less)? Is there an alternative solution that would work better?

Here's a couple things I've already tried, that won't work for me:

- At one point I switched to aromasin for a few weeks then got a blood test to see if it made any difference. My LDL levels were normal but my E2 was 101 (no typo) on a pretty stout dose of aromasin, up from an E2 level of 25 with arimidex.

- At one point I added nolvadex to my arimidex dose, as I had heard this would reduce LDL levels. It made me feel completely off. After some googling it seems that this was due to nolvadex decreasing the effectiveness of the arimidex (and therefore spiking my E2 level again).

Clomd 25 mg/day? Or is there a newer/better option?

[Benson]

I'd not get too wound up about transient increases in LDL levels.

Are you running test enth by itself?

[Mitosis]

I'd not get too wound up about transient increases in LDL levels.

Are you running test enth by itself?

Agreed a clean diet and some cardio serve you better.

The clomid may limit gains.

I prefer Aromasin as an anti-aromatase....more igf-1....still keeps estrogen at a level where libido is good.

Fish oil, green tea would not hurt either.

I would not sweat estrogen blood level if it is not causing gyno or massive bloat. A little estrogen will keep igf 1 up and give you some joint cushion.

[ippon]

Agreed a clean diet and some cardio serve you better.

The clomid may limit gains.

I prefer Aromasin as an anti-aromatase....more igf-1....still keeps estrogen at a level where libido is good.

Fish oil, green tea would not hurt either.

I would not sweat estrogen blood level if it is not causing gyno or massive bloat. A little estrogen will keep igf 1 up and give you some joint cushion.

Benson-- Test cyp by itself

Mitosis-- Yeah I wouldn't mind a higher E2 level but it starts causing me some mild anxiety, and gives me trouble sleeping. Aromasin would be perfect if it did a better job for me.. An E2 level of over 100 on 500mg/wk of test almost makes me think that my aromasin was fake, so I might try it again. (Is it really possible that I'm a complete non-responder to it?)

I already gulp down plenty of fish oil, but I'll add in morning cardio as I've been meaning to add that in anyway. Is there evidence that low dose clomid decreases gains as mentioned?

[Mitosis]

Benson-- Test cyp by itself

Mitosis-- Yeah I wouldn't mind a higher E2 level but it starts causing me some mild anxiety, and gives me trouble sleeping. Aromasin would be perfect if it did a better job for me.. An E2 level of over 100 on 500mg/wk of test almost makes me think that my aromasin was fake, so I might try it again. (Is it really possible that I'm a complete non-responder to it?)

I already gulp down plenty of fish oil, but I'll add in morning cardio as I've been meaning to add that in anyway. Is there evidence that low dose clomid decreases gains as mentioned?

Nonresponder...doubtful.

Underdosed...more likely.

Most of my anxiety comes from equipoise and dht type stuff. Test mellows me out.

But CLOMID....that shit makes me a train wreck. I advise caution if you have anxiety issues. Keep the dose low...it may be worse then just letting E2 do its thing.

Some proviron would reduce E....keep libido up...but it is dht based and hard to get.

Also its pricey usually.

Maybe try a nonhormonal anxiety control...just a thought.

[ippon]

Most of my anxiety comes from equipoise and dht type stuff. Test mellows me out.

Yeah, test mellows me out too. But when I don't use an AI with it (or enough of an AI), the elevated E2 levels give me anxiety.

I'm going to try aromasin again. If I normally take .5mg ED of arimidex, would that roughly equate to around 25mg of aromasin? Or more like 12.5?

EDIT: And is it supposed to be taken with food, or without food?

[Mitosis]

Yeah, test mellows me out too. But when I don't use an AI with it (or enough of an AI), the elevated E2 levels give me anxiety.

I'm going to try aromasin again. If I normally take .5mg ED of arimidex, would that roughly equate to around 25mg of aromasin? Or more like 12.5?

EDIT: And is it supposed to be taken with food, or without food?

I dont know if food would effect it...I have taken mine before bed....without usually...but with as well...no real issues for either/or.

I would say I took 12.5 per day and it kept E down fairly well....but 25 may be required to reduce it to the level that arimidex does. I dont run AIs anymore unless I am doing a contest....my estrogen issues are slim to none if I keep my diet clean...I bloat very little.