Recovery from Prolonged Aspartame Poisoning as a Child Options

[adre]

I'm 22. From age 8 to about 18, I consumed large amounts of aspartame daily. My dopamine and serotonin systems have been obliterated. The damage developed so slowly that I had no idea what happened. Oh yeah, I'm diabetic, too. That's why I drank the poison in the first place.

I enjoy nothing. Everything is a chore. I have almost no emotion. I have no memory. I'm constantly in a brain fog, and I need to clear it. Here's a list of the supplements I will use to fix this mess: whey protein, calcium ascorbate, magnesium malate, chelated magnesium, B-complex (a great one), E-complex, l-carnosine, NADH, NAC, biotin, ALA, EPA, DHA, panthethine, turmeric circumin, silymarin, selenium, CoQ10, vinpocetine, multi-enzyme complex and inositol. I also take calcium citrate, cholecalciferol, GNC Mega Men multi-v, ginkgo, ginseng, msm, glucosamine, chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, green tea extract/egcg, grape seed extract/resveratol and lutein. I already take about half of these, but I haven't seen any improvement. I am sure that this is due to the cigarettes. I'll be done with them within a month, and that's when I'll begin this new regiment.

Are any of these ineffective for my purpose and therefore removable (other than the joint stuff)? Are any of them counterproductive? Have I neglected anything important? Which of these need to be taken on an empty stomach? I know that NADH does, but what about the others? This is a lot of pills. How should I divide them among my three daily meals? Would taking DHA without EPA be more beneficial? If not, then why do they sell DHA-only supplements? I'm thinking about cutting ginkgo and ginseng. Good idea?

I am also aware of the toxin problem in our food. I will abstain from food that contains soy (phytoestrogens). Glutamate (MSG, hydrolyzed proteins) is a sneaky one. How else is glutamate hidden? I'm drinking water which contains less than 1ppm of sodium fluoride. Any dehydrated food should be presumed to contain large amounts of fluoride, correct? So, no instant oatmeal and cereal? Soda will be avoided because of EDTA and sodium/potassium benzoate. What other excitotoxins, neurotoxins, cytotoxins and genotoxins, which inhibit recovery, should I be aware of?

I will be eating a lot of fresh vegetables and fruits with minimal meat. Lots of rice. I will be baking my own bread. Is deli meat still safe? Do you guys have any other food suggestions? Can organic labels be trusted?

One more thing: my psychiatrist has me on 30mg amphetamine. Will this be detrimental to my recovery? It makes life livable, but I'll cut it out if need be.

Sorry for the ridiculous number of questions. Thanks for the help!

[BlackFlag]

I'm 22. From age 8 to about 18, I consumed large amounts of aspartame daily. My dopamine and serotonin systems have been obliterated. The damage developed so slowly that I had no idea what happened. Oh yeah, I'm diabetic, too. That's why I drank the poison in the first place.

I enjoy nothing. Everything is a chore. I have almost no emotion. I have no memory. I'm constantly in a brain fog, and I need to clear it. Here's a list of the supplements I will use to fix this mess: whey protein, calcium ascorbate, magnesium malate, chelated magnesium, B-complex (a great one), E-complex, l-carnosine, NADH, NAC, biotin, ALA, EPA, DHA, panthethine, turmeric circumin, silymarin, selenium, CoQ10, vinpocetine, multi-enzyme complex and inositol. I also take calcium citrate, cholecalciferol, GNC Mega Men multi-v, ginkgo, ginseng, msm, glucosamine, chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, green tea extract/egcg, grape seed extract/resveratol and lutein. I already take about half of these, but I haven't seen any improvement. I am sure that this is due to the cigarettes. I'll be done with them within a month, and that's when I'll begin this new regiment.

Are any of these ineffective for my purpose and therefore removable (other than the joint stuff)? Are any of them counterproductive? Have I neglected anything important? Which of these need to be taken on an empty stomach? I know that NADH does, but what about the others? This is a lot of pills. How should I divide them among my three daily meals? Would taking DHA without EPA be more beneficial? If not, then why do they sell DHA-only supplements? I'm thinking about cutting ginkgo and ginseng. Good idea?

I am also aware of the toxin problem in our food. I will abstain from food that contains soy (phytoestrogens). Glutamate (MSG, hydrolyzed proteins) is a sneaky one. How else is glutamate hidden? I'm drinking water which contains less than 1ppm of sodium fluoride. Any dehydrated food should be presumed to contain large amounts of fluoride, correct? So, no instant oatmeal and cereal? Soda will be avoided because of EDTA and sodium/potassium benzoate. What other excitotoxins, neurotoxins, cytotoxins and genotoxins, which inhibit recovery, should I be aware of?

I will be eating a lot of fresh vegetables and fruits with minimal meat. Lots of rice. I will be baking my own bread. Is deli meat still safe? Do you guys have any other food suggestions? Can organic labels be trusted?

One more thing: my psychiatrist has me on 30mg amphetamine. Will this be detrimental to my recovery? It makes life livable, but I'll cut it out if need be.

Sorry for the ridiculous number of questions. Thanks for the help!

How do you know it was the Aspartame? How long have you been on amphetamine? Any other history of drug use? How is your Testosterone level?

[dragula]

Did you have a Dr tell you that aspartame caused all this? If so, what scientific proof does he have for this?

If not, what scientific proof, or even great anecdotal correlations led you to believe aspartame was the main cause?


Have you had a thourogh medical workup to eliminate any other possible causes?

[adre]

How do you know it was the Aspartame?

It's impossible to know. However, after exhaustively reviewing the literature relevant to this theory, I'm fairly sure. If you're interested in learning about aspartame's toxicity, go here. Remember, I began consumption at age 8, leaving me more than four times more sensitive to toxic exposure when compared to an adult. On top of that, I'm diabetic, which means that my blood-brain barrier ain't what it should be. I drank 6-10 cans of diet soda per day, too. I've searched for other explanations, and this is the only one that fits.

[adre]

Did you have a Dr tell you that aspartame caused all this? If so, what scientific proof does he have for this?

If not, what scientific proof, or even great anecdotal correlations led you to believe aspartame was the main cause?


Have you had a thourogh medical workup to eliminate any other possible causes?

What do you mean by medical workup? I had my doctor draw a bunch of blood, and I told him to check my health. Everything was in perfect range. My psychiatrist is skeptical, but he is entertaining the idea and is looking into it further. I'm actually in talks with a neurologist. I've explained the situation and theory. Hopefully, he will be as curious as I am and give me a free SPECT scan. PET scan would be better, but I'll take what I can get.

Regardless of whether or not you believe me about aspartame, something destroyed my dopamine and serotonin receptors, and I need to regenerate them. Can we focus on how best to recover from such damage?

[orthomolecular]

I don't think you can blame your problems on one neurotoxin when our enviroment is full of them. I understand that you may have ingested significant amounts of it but I think there are too many variables and aspartame, I thought, was implicated ib seizures. You don't mention seizures.

Neuroassist.com has an extensive list of neurotoxins. If you look at how long that list is you may realize that your problem is mostly likely from a combination of things.

Cigs put heavy metals like cadmium and copper into your body. You don't have zinc as a separate supplement (besides what is in the multi) which protects against cadmium exposure, and chelates copper. Too much copper can cause brain fog. Zinc is very good for your brain.

I don't believe in b-complexes, especially at the beginning of supplementing. I don't think there is a great b-complex. A b-complex doesn't let you tailor your dose of each b vitamin. And so many b vitamins are important. B6 is important for dopamine and serotonin. You may want more B6 then some other B vitamins, for example.

And you don't have any amino acids. That site neuroassist will explain about what aminos you need and how you can take them with your meds. And also explains how if your brain has been damaged by neurotoxins then you can't repair that damage but make up for it with higher levels of neurotransmitters from taking mostly amino acids.

You should be working with a doctor who does tests for nutritional imbalances and is familair with a nutritional approach.

[Squarepusher]

do you think the aspartame causes your (type-1 i assuming) diabetes?

[adre]

I don't think you can blame your problems on one neurotoxin when our enviroment is full of them. I understand that you may have ingested significant amounts of it but I think there are too many variables and aspartame, I thought, was implicated ib seizures. You don't mention seizures.

Neuroassist.com has an extensive list of neurotoxins. If you look at how long that list is you may realize that your problem is mostly likely from a combination of things.

Cigs put heavy metals like cadmium and copper into your body. You don't have zinc as a separate supplement (besides what is in the multi) which protects against cadmium exposure, and chelates copper. Too much copper can cause brain fog. Zinc is very good for your brain.

I don't believe in b-complexes, especially at the beginning of supplementing. I don't think there is a great b-complex. A b-complex doesn't let you tailor your dose of each b vitamin. And so many b vitamins are important. B6 is important for dopamine and serotonin. You may want more B6 then some other B vitamins, for example.

And you don't have any amino acids. That site neuroassist will explain about what aminos you need and how you can take them with your meds. And also explains how if your brain has been damaged by neurotoxins then you can't repair that damage but make up for it with higher levels of neurotransmitters from taking mostly amino acids.

You should be working with a doctor who does tests for nutritional imbalances and is familair with a nutritional approach.

Aspartame lowers the seizure threshold. However, seizures do not necessarily follow from aspartame poisoning. That list is quite thorough. Is there a list exclusively composed of toxins approved by the FDA for use in foodstuffs?

This B-complex has 500mg ascorbic acid ©, 100mg thiamine hcl (b1), 100mg riboflavin (b-2), 100mg niacinamide, 100mg pyridoxine hcl (b-6), 400mcg folic acid, 500mcg cyanacobalamin (b-12), 50mcg biotin (in addition to the 5mg capsules I take), 100mg d-calcium pantothenate, 50mg choline bitartrate, 50mg inositol (b-8; in addition to the powder that I mix w/whey shakes), 50mg para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA/b-x). All of this in a giant timed release tablet. I'd say that's a pretty damned good B-complex. Something worries me about it, though. 5mg proprietary blend of alfalfa, watercress, rice bran, brewer's yeast, soy lecithin and parsley. I doubt that there's more than 1mg of soy lecithin in there, so I'm not that worried. I also have separate B-6 (150mg) and B-12 (500mcg) supplements. So, I take a total of 250mg B-6 and 1.5mg B-12 per day. Am I safe from sensory neuropathy with 400mg/day of B-6? How much zinc do you recommend and in what form (oxide, gluconate, picolinate, monomethionine)?

I've read that the body can release stem cells from its bone marrow and that some of them wind up in the brain, leaving me hopeful that this strict, supplemented and toxin-free diet will allow me to regenerate some of what has been lost. It's my only hope, aside from injecting stem cells directly into my brain. I believe that we never see any recovery from brain damage because of widespread malnutrition and chronic consumption of neurotoxins. I define malnutrition as the failure to provide the body with everything it can utilize rather than with what it needs to barely survive.

As for a doctor, I've never heard of one suggesting the use of supplements. I'll look for one, though. All of my doctors know which supplements I take, as they should. They laugh, though. I asked one if he knew whether or not any of these were raising my blood pressure. He replied, "I don't know anything about holistic medicine," in a patronizing tone.

do you think the aspartame causes your (type-1 i assuming) diabetes?

lollerskates. No. I began consuming aspartame because of my diabetes, and yes, I am type I. As I previously stated, diabetes increases the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. As a consequence, I am much more sensitive to toxins among other things.

[keninishna]

I'm 22. From age 8 to about 18, I consumed large amounts of aspartame daily. My dopamine and serotonin systems have been obliterated. The damage developed so slowly that I had no idea what happened. Oh yeah, I'm diabetic, too. That's why I drank the poison in the first place.

I enjoy nothing. Everything is a chore. I have almost no emotion. I have no memory. I'm constantly in a brain fog, and I need to clear it. Here's a list of the supplements I will use to fix this mess: whey protein, calcium ascorbate, magnesium malate, chelated magnesium, B-complex (a great one), E-complex, l-carnosine, NADH, NAC, biotin, ALA, EPA, DHA, panthethine, turmeric circumin, silymarin, selenium, CoQ10, vinpocetine, multi-enzyme complex and inositol. I also take calcium citrate, cholecalciferol, GNC Mega Men multi-v, ginkgo, ginseng, msm, glucosamine, chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, green tea extract/egcg, grape seed extract/resveratol and lutein. I already take about half of these, but I haven't seen any improvement. I am sure that this is due to the cigarettes. I'll be done with them within a month, and that's when I'll begin this new regiment.

Are any of these ineffective for my purpose and therefore removable (other than the joint stuff)? Are any of them counterproductive? Have I neglected anything important? Which of these need to be taken on an empty stomach? I know that NADH does, but what about the others? This is a lot of pills. How should I divide them among my three daily meals? Would taking DHA without EPA be more beneficial? If not, then why do they sell DHA-only supplements? I'm thinking about cutting ginkgo and ginseng. Good idea?

I am also aware of the toxin problem in our food. I will abstain from food that contains soy (phytoestrogens). Glutamate (MSG, hydrolyzed proteins) is a sneaky one. How else is glutamate hidden? I'm drinking water which contains less than 1ppm of sodium fluoride. Any dehydrated food should be presumed to contain large amounts of fluoride, correct? So, no instant oatmeal and cereal? Soda will be avoided because of EDTA and sodium/potassium benzoate. What other excitotoxins, neurotoxins, cytotoxins and genotoxins, which inhibit recovery, should I be aware of?

I will be eating a lot of fresh vegetables and fruits with minimal meat. Lots of rice. I will be baking my own bread. Is deli meat still safe? Do you guys have any other food suggestions? Can organic labels be trusted?

One more thing: my psychiatrist has me on 30mg amphetamine. Will this be detrimental to my recovery? It makes life livable, but I'll cut it out if need be.

Sorry for the ridiculous number of questions. Thanks for the help!

Eh I doubt its the aspartame, hows your A1c been your whole life? I've had diabetes for 21 years my memory isn't the best but I've seen studies diabetics don't have worse memory due to increased oxidation from excess glucose. Diabetics on average have serotonin issues with depression etc. Inositol helps me out at a few grams, to me it seems amphetamines are making you a bit paranoid, you might want to focus on reducing oxidative stress on your brain. Your really going to want to eliminate cigarettes from your life or your gonna have a heart attack in like 8 years. Look into benfotiamine if you aren't allready taking it.

[adre]

Eh I doubt its the aspartame, hows your A1c been your whole life? I've had diabetes for 21 years my memory isn't the best but I've seen studies diabetics don't have worse memory due to increased oxidation from excess glucose. Diabetics on average have serotonin issues with depression etc. Inositol helps me out at a few grams, to me it seems amphetamines are making you a bit paranoid, you might want to focus on reducing oxidative stress on your brain. Your really going to want to eliminate cigarettes from your life or your gonna have a heart attack in like 8 years. Look into benfotiamine if you aren't allready taking it.

For the first year, I ran mid-eights. Now, I've got it down to 6.7-6.9. Most of the oxidative stress follows from the cigarettes. 30mg amphetamine isn't much. The paranoia-inducing effects that you see in recreational users occur at much higher doses, like 150mg+ combined with sleep deprivation. The damage is gradually degenerative, cumulative and synergistic. Yes, excess glucose creates free radicals, but aspartame does too, along with EDTA, glutamate and the rest. The damage exponentially increases as more toxins enter the mix. There's no need to add insult to injury. Aspartame most definitely outweighed any of the other toxins, literally.

[dashforce]

If you're interested in learning about aspartame's toxicity, go here.

I fixed your link.

But I did find this quote from the website you referenced particularly funny:

You do see me continuing to pay for this Web site that my father created through literally blood, sweat and tears.

Powerthirst is like crystal meth in a can! Powerthirst is crystal meth in a can!! Power thirst is crystal meth!!!

Anyway...

This B-complex has 500mg ascorbic acid ©, 100mg thiamine hcl (b1), 100mg riboflavin (b-2), 100mg niacinamide, 100mg pyridoxine hcl (b-6), 400mcg folic acid, 500mcg cyanacobalamin (b-12), 50mcg biotin (in addition to the 5mg capsules I take), 100mg d-calcium pantothenate, 50mg choline bitartrate, 50mg inositol (b-8; in addition to the powder that I mix w/whey shakes), 50mg para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA/b-x). All of this in a giant timed release tablet. I'd say that's a pretty damned good B-complex. Something worries me about it, though. 5mg proprietary blend of alfalfa, watercress, rice bran, brewer's yeast, soy lecithin and parsley. I doubt that there's more than 1mg of soy lecithin in there, so I'm not that worried. I also have separate B-6 (150mg) and B-12 (500mcg) supplements. So, I take a total of 250mg B-6 and 1.5mg B-12 per day. Am I safe from sensory neuropathy with 400mg/day of B-6? How much zinc do you recommend and in what form (oxide, gluconate, picolinate, monomethionine)?

God damn. You ever tried just not taking a billion supplements? Maybe give a shot to a good multi and your insulin for a while.

and yes, I am type I.
The proper way to differentiate is "type 1/2," not "type I/II." Sorry, just a pet peeve.

[adre]

Did you check out the symptom reports? Lots of articles there. If you think that disrupting the balance of large neutral amino acids, which compete with one another, doesn't adversely affect psychological function, fine. I don't care. If you think that ingestion of methanol, formaldehyde and diketopiperazine is cool, be cool and drink aspartame. If you've consumed gobs of aspartame and simply cannot accept the conclusions of the controversy as a defense mechanism, keep it to yourself.

Do you REALLY think that the medicrats in the FDA have your back? Go ahead and consume Monsanto's GMO crops, aspartame and antibiotic-resistant-bacteria-infested cloned livestock. Go ahead and believe the manipulated studies which support what you want to be true. Brush your teeth with fluoridated toothpaste without examining the premises upon which the lie lays. Eat soy, because the FDA says it prevents cancer. Don't forget your sodium benzoate, because a fresh soda is well worth ingesting benzene. EDTA is great, because that fresh taste is way better than maintaining the integrity of your DNA. Codex Alimentarius will protect you from those dangerous vitamins and supplements, and it will protect you from those pesky vitamins found in foods that haven't been irradiated. Live the lie, because if you accept the truth, you'd have to admit that you're destroying yourself for some pretty stupid reasons. Buy up that propaganda; it's comforting.

[dashforce]

Like millions of other normal people, I do all these things without worrying and live a relatively happy and fulfilling live, actually. Have fun fretting over conspiracy theories while I enjoy my life.

Buy up that propaganda; it's comforting.

Glad you can find some comfort in something; you seem to have some serious issues.

[adre]

Like millions of other normal people, I do all these things without worrying and live a relatively happy and fulfilling live, actually. Have fun fretting over conspiracy theories while I enjoy my life.

There's not much fretting. It takes all of a few seconds to examine an ingredient list. Funny how 1 in 2 men will get cancer in their lifetime these days. You and me make two.

(now, regardless of the fact that I'm on the gum, go make a cigarette joke; it'll be hilarious)

[Benson]

Oh yeah, I'm diabetic, too. That's why I drank the poison in the first place.

Just so we are clear, you have a major congenital endocrine disorder, one with well established neuropsychological implications, but you want to lay your problems at the feet of aspartame poisoning, something for which there is no actual evidence?

I will be eating a lot of fresh vegetables and fruits with minimal meat. Lots of rice. I will be baking my own bread. Is deli meat still safe? Do you guys have any other food suggestions? Can organic labels be trusted?

The hell with organic, why would you eat like this as a diabetic? Bread, rice, limited protein? The research pretty clearly supports a low carbohydrate diet for optimal blood glucose control in T1 diabetes.

[dragula]

Can't we have the boar automatically *********= aspartame???


See here son, people who are objective about these things won't settle on one causation, especially one as poorly documented and left-field as this.
It seems like you WANT IT to be aspartame that caused this. I think you came to the wrong place with this nonsense.

[BlackFlag]

I'm 22. From age 8 to about 18, I consumed large amounts of aspartame daily. My dopamine and serotonin systems have been obliterated. The damage developed so slowly that I had no idea what happened. Oh yeah, I'm diabetic, too. That's why I drank the poison in the first place.

I enjoy nothing. Everything is a chore. I have almost no emotion. I have no memory. I'm constantly in a brain fog, and I need to clear it. Here's a list of the supplements I will use to fix this mess: whey protein, calcium ascorbate, magnesium malate, chelated magnesium, B-complex (a great one), E-complex, l-carnosine, NADH, NAC, biotin, ALA, EPA, DHA, panthethine, turmeric circumin, silymarin, selenium, CoQ10, vinpocetine, multi-enzyme complex and inositol. I also take calcium citrate, cholecalciferol, GNC Mega Men multi-v, ginkgo, ginseng, msm, glucosamine, chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, green tea extract/egcg, grape seed extract/resveratol and lutein. I already take about half of these, but I haven't seen any improvement. I am sure that this is due to the cigarettes. I'll be done with them within a month, and that's when I'll begin this new regiment.

Are any of these ineffective for my purpose and therefore removable (other than the joint stuff)? Are any of them counterproductive? Have I neglected anything important? Which of these need to be taken on an empty stomach? I know that NADH does, but what about the others? This is a lot of pills. How should I divide them among my three daily meals? Would taking DHA without EPA be more beneficial? If not, then why do they sell DHA-only supplements? I'm thinking about cutting ginkgo and ginseng. Good idea?

I am also aware of the toxin problem in our food. I will abstain from food that contains soy (phytoestrogens). Glutamate (MSG, hydrolyzed proteins) is a sneaky one. How else is glutamate hidden? I'm drinking water which contains less than 1ppm of sodium fluoride. Any dehydrated food should be presumed to contain large amounts of fluoride, correct? So, no instant oatmeal and cereal? Soda will be avoided because of EDTA and sodium/potassium benzoate. What other excitotoxins, neurotoxins, cytotoxins and genotoxins, which inhibit recovery, should I be aware of?

I will be eating a lot of fresh vegetables and fruits with minimal meat. Lots of rice. I will be baking my own bread. Is deli meat still safe? Do you guys have any other food suggestions? Can organic labels be trusted?

One more thing: my psychiatrist has me on 30mg amphetamine. Will this be detrimental to my recovery? It makes life livable, but I'll cut it out if need be.

Sorry for the ridiculous number of questions. Thanks for the help!

The symptoms that you mentioned could be related to low Testosterone. Diabetics commonly have low Test levels.

[krazyj]

How is your Testosterone level?

+1

Have you had a thourogh medical workup to eliminate any other possible causes?

+1

The symptoms that you mentioned could be related to low Testosterone. Diabetics commonly have low Test levels.

Ding ding ding ding ding!!

[adre]

I'm seeing the doc tomorrow (hopefully) to measure my testosterone levels. If they come back low, what's the best way of boosting testosterone levels? Will the doctor prescribe something, or should I look toward supplements?

I took DHEA for a while, and it did nothing. 6-OXO wouldn't work for me, right? I mean, naturally low levels of testosterone would mean low levels of estrogen as well, unless diabetes somehow increases aromatase activity. I'm thinking that the problem likely exists in the hypothalamus. Again, formaldehyde, an aspartame metabolite, accumulates in the hypothalamus. Aspartame may very well be the reason why a large number of male diabetics have low testosterone. Sorry, guys. I can't let aspartame go unpunished.

Even if you don't believe that aspartic acid and phenylalanine spikes in blood plasma negatively affect neural firing and cause oxidation, you MUST ADMIT that aspartame breaks down into methanol. In the absence of ethanol (aspartame product do not contain ethanol), alchohol dehydrogenase will convert this methanol into formaldehyde. Formaldehyde accumulates throughout your body. Parts of the hypothalmus lack an effective blood-brain barrier. Therefore, formaldehyde can accumulate there. I'm still pinning this on aspartame. What's the best way to detox formaldehyde? Panthethine enhances aldehyde dehydrogenase function. Bingo bango, fixed, if you guys are right.

[GaWd]

There's not much fretting. It takes all of a few seconds to examine an ingredient list. Funny how 1 in 2 men will get cancer in their lifetime these days. You and me make two.

(now, regardless of the fact that I'm on the gum, go make a cigarette joke; it'll be hilarious)

People get cancer because they now outlive 30.

500 years ago, with life expectancy in the late 30's, you'd never see cancer. When you did see cancer, you'd blame it on "bad air" or some other absurd cause.
100 years ago, with life expectancy in the 50's, you would see cancers, but not know its cause.
Today, we diagnose everything and we have a mean life expectancy in the late 60s. Oxidative stress, neurotoxins, pollutants and the like assault our bodies and they give in to cancer.

That's what we get for living so damned long.

Personally, I'm a fan of aspartame. It's never led me wrong in almost 30 years of massive assive consumption. I drink the shit like it's water. I'm like a science experiment waiting to unfold.

[GaWd]

I will be eating a lot of fresh vegetables and fruits with minimal meat. Lots of rice. I will be baking my own bread. Is deli meat still safe? Do you guys have any other food suggestions? Can organic labels be trusted?

WTF? Veggies and carbs for a Type I diabetic? Wow. Way to go on researching an appropriate diets for diabetics, Bueller. You'll spend 4 years working on a crackpot theory that blames Aspartame for all of your shortcomings, but you can't spend an hour reading about Diabetes, carbs, sugars and dieting. WTG, ace.

My wife has an aunt like you. We call her "crazy". Are you sure you just don't have schizophrenia? You don't trust food? You don't "trust" deli meat or labeling? WTF?

[adre]

WTF? Veggies and carbs for a Type I diabetic? Wow. Way to go on researching an appropriate diets for diabetics, Bueller. You'll spend 4 years working on a crackpot theory that blames Aspartame for all of your shortcomings, but you can't spend an hour reading about Diabetes, carbs, sugars and dieting. WTG, ace.

My wife has an aunt like you. We call her "crazy". Are you sure you just don't have schizophrenia? You don't trust food? You don't "trust" deli meat or labeling? WTF?

What? Veggies are bad for diabetics? I've never heard that one before. Also, there's nothing wrong with carbohydrates. The days of having to eat a certain amount of carbohydrates at certain times of the day are gone. Heard of Lantus? I can eat pretty much whatever I want whenever I want, so long as I know my body well enough to deliver the proper amount of insulin for those carbs. Sugar is not poison for diabetics. We don't need slow-digestion fructose, because Humalog works quickly enough to keep up with the fast metabolism of sucrose. Why do we need meat? Protein, CoQ10 and other nutrients; all of which I've got covered. I get all the protein that I need from whey, which includes a complete and proper balance of amino acids without the nasty contaminants of corporate farmed "meat." I drink 6 shakes throughout the day. That's 120g, which is plenty. 140g would be better, I'll admit. In truth, you should consume 1g protein for every pound of body weight. I do eat yogurt for the acidophillis. Shortly, I'll be using the supplement, because milk is contaminated (BGH, residue of pesticides and antibiotics sprayed locally, aflatoxin). Why is milk so important? Calcium? lols. Broccoli has more calcium than milk. Casein? Uh, why? Casein's like a glue. No thanks. Tell me, what's so good about milk?

At present, I do not know what qualifications the FDA has set for the organic label. After Codex Alimentarius, any farmer will be able to claim that their food is organic; the codex will also reintroduce DDT (among other formerly banned toxic pesticides) for agricultural use and make use of BGH in dairy cows mandatory. Interested in codex? Go to Google Video and find Nutricide. Also, I don't know what the hell is in deli meat. When McDonald's can legally claim that their meat is 100% beef, we've got serious problems in the meat industry.

I have drunk aspartame for years and, except for my uterine cancer, I am totally norbal.

Cool. Did you drink it when you were 8-18, while your brain was still forming? Are you a diabetic with an incompetent BBB and with oxidative stress from high glucose?

[adre]

Today, we diagnose everything and we have a mean life expectancy in the late 60s. Oxidative stress, neurotoxins, pollutants and the like assault our bodies and they give in to cancer.

That's what we get for living so damned long.

Yes, oxidative stress, neurotoxins and pollutants assault our bodies by destroying DNA-integrity, killing cells and eventually causing cancer. So, why am I being berated for avoiding these things which we know are harmful? People often tell me, "you need to live life," which implies defining life as chronically consuming poison. That's not the life I want to live.

Personally, I'm a fan of aspartame. It's never led me wrong in almost 30 years of massive assive consumption. I drink the shit like it's water. I'm like a science experiment waiting to unfold.

You're addicted to it. You get awful headaches when you try to stop, yes? That's not caffeine withdrawal.

[dashforce]

There's not much fretting.

Um...

I enjoy nothing. Everything is a chore. I have almost no emotion. I have no memory. I'm constantly in a brain fog, and I need to clear it. Here's a list of the supplements I will use to fix this mess: whey protein, calcium ascorbate, magnesium malate, chelated magnesium, B-complex (a great one), E-complex, l-carnosine, NADH, NAC, biotin, ALA, EPA, DHA, panthethine, turmeric circumin, silymarin, selenium, CoQ10, vinpocetine, multi-enzyme complex and inositol. I also take calcium citrate, cholecalciferol, GNC Mega Men multi-v, ginkgo, ginseng, msm, glucosamine, chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, green tea extract/egcg, grape seed extract/resveratol and lutein. I already take about half of these, but I haven't seen any improvement. I am sure that this is due to the cigarettes. I'll be done with them within a month, and that's when I'll begin this new regiment.

Are any of these ineffective for my purpose and therefore removable (other than the joint stuff)? Are any of them counterproductive? Have I neglected anything important? Which of these need to be taken on an empty stomach? I know that NADH does, but what about the others? This is a lot of pills. How should I divide them among my three daily meals? Would taking DHA without EPA be more beneficial? If not, then why do they sell DHA-only supplements? I'm thinking about cutting ginkgo and ginseng. Good idea?

Sorry for the ridiculous number of questions. Thanks for the help!

This B-complex has 500mg ascorbic acid ©, 100mg thiamine hcl (b1), 100mg riboflavin (b-2), 100mg niacinamide, 100mg pyridoxine hcl (b-6), 400mcg folic acid, 500mcg cyanacobalamin (b-12), 50mcg biotin (in addition to the 5mg capsules I take), 100mg d-calcium pantothenate, 50mg choline bitartrate, 50mg inositol (b-8; in addition to the powder that I mix w/whey shakes), 50mg para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA/b-x). All of this in a giant timed release tablet. I'd say that's a pretty damned good B-complex. Something worries me about it, though. 5mg proprietary blend of alfalfa, watercress, rice bran, brewer's yeast, soy lecithin and parsley. I doubt that there's more than 1mg of soy lecithin in there, so I'm not that worried. I also have separate B-6 (150mg) and B-12 (500mcg) supplements. So, I take a total of 250mg B-6 and 1.5mg B-12 per day. Am I safe from sensory neuropathy with 400mg/day of B-6? How much zinc do you recommend and in what form (oxide, gluconate, picolinate, monomethionine)?

I've read that the body can release stem cells from its bone marrow and that some of them wind up in the brain, leaving me hopeful that this strict, supplemented and toxin-free diet will allow me to regenerate some of what has been lost. It's my only hope, aside from injecting stem cells directly into my brain. I believe that we never see any recovery from brain damage because of widespread malnutrition and chronic consumption of neurotoxins. I define malnutrition as the failure to provide the body with everything it can utilize rather than with what it needs to barely survive.

Nope, no fretting at all.

Funny how 1 in 2 men will get cancer in their lifetime these days. You and me make two.

Funny how 1 in 2 20-something year old kids that spends too much time on the internet becomes a hypochondriac and obsessed with conspiracies. You and me make two. Go make some friends or something.

Also, there's nothing wrong with carbohydrates... blah blah blah

Keep an eye on that A1C buddy. Well, until your eyesight goes.

[simpllyhuge]

Im not saying any thing because I really am a newb, But I drink between 2-8 liters of diet pepsi a day and have been since I was about 14 and now 25. I love it more than air.

I do however have this link that despite my vyvanse I am too lazy to read through that I believe is relevant.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-h...diet-sodas.html

[keninishna]

I don't think there is a way to reverse damage caused by oxidative stress other than maybe acetyl l carintine and ALA. I would think formaldehyde would affect smaller nerves first do you have any nueropathy or numbness in your hands or vision?

[GiggiRock]

What do you mean by medical workup? I had my doctor draw a bunch of blood, and I told him to check my health. Everything was in perfect range.

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You're addicted to it. You get awful headaches when you try to stop, yes? That's not caffeine withdrawal.

oh.... it's aspartame withdrawal? I seem to have no problem with headaches and i drink diet coke... caffiene free even.

I would go into more detail with some of your posts, but Big Brother is coming to take my evidence of aliens on the grassy knoll with big foot and george bush while planning 9/11 and I have to astral-project my ass to a homeopath because my Qi is all fucked up from all the aromatherapy I've been having.

[adre]

Um...




Nope, no fretting at all.



Funny how 1 in 2 20-something year old kids that spends too much time on the internet becomes a hypochondriac and obsessed with conspiracies. You and me make two. Go make some friends or something.



Keep an eye on that A1C buddy. Well, until your eyesight goes.

Without emotion, you can't fret. I'm numb. My a1c isn't bad. Yeah, low 6's would be preferable, but I'm not that far off. Are you suggesting that diabetics cut out carbohydrates and go on the atkins diet? Everybody needs carbs. It's all a matter of how well you manage the glucose levels. My eyesight deteriorated until I stopped consuming aspartame. Maybe it has something to do with methanol metabolizing into formic acid and formaldehyde, which cause damage to the optic nerve. Remember all of that business about methanol causing BLINDNESS. Yeah. That's just gibberish, right? The oxidation from an a1c 0.7 points over optimal causing eyesight deterioration makes so much more sense than CONSUMING METHANOL ON A DAILY BASIS.

[adre]

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He tested ldl/hdl cholesterol, and, uh, a bunch of other stuff. I have terrible memory. I've got to get a copy of that to the shrink. So, I'll get one too and post it here.

[GaWd]

What? Veggies are bad for diabetics? I've never heard that one before.

You mind pointing out where I said veggies were "bad" for you? So in reality, you still haven't heard that one, yet...

Also, there's nothing wrong with carbohydrates.

Shazam. I don't recall ever saying carbs were bad either, mmmm'kay?

The days of having to eat a certain amount of carbohydrates at certain times of the day are gone. Heard of Lantus? I can eat pretty much whatever I want whenever I want, so long as I know my body well enough to deliver the proper amount of insulin for those carbs. Sugar is not poison for diabetics. We don't need slow-digestion fructose, because Humalog works quickly enough to keep up with the fast metabolism of sucrose. Why do we need meat? Protein, CoQ10 and other nutrients; all of which I've got covered. I get all the protein that I need from whey, which includes a complete and proper balance of amino acids without the nasty contaminants of corporate farmed "meat." I drink 6 shakes throughout the day. That's 120g, which is plenty. 140g would be better, I'll admit. In truth, you should consume 1g protein for every pound of body weight. I do eat yogurt for the acidophillis. Shortly, I'll be using the supplement, because milk is contaminated (BGH, residue of pesticides and antibiotics sprayed locally, aflatoxin). Why is milk so important? Calcium? lols. Broccoli has more calcium than milk. Casein? Uh, why? Casein's like a glue. No thanks. Tell me, what's so good about milk?

Come to think of it, Drugs are bad mmm'kay? Don't do drugs, kids.

I find it odd that you're so fucking paranoid about your food, yet you'll pump Lantus, protein shakes, supplements and other chemicals directly into your body when there are things you could do with your diet that would make your reliance on Insulin, Lantus and other meds less important. Being from a family of type I and II diabetics, I know how this all works, spanky. I've seen Diabetes controlled and uncontrolled. I've seen Type I and II diabetics try to manage their disease with and without carb restriction. I'll give you a guess which one works and which one doesn't...