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Posted 14 March 2008 - 02:02 PM (#1) User is offline   Colin 

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So can we have a bit on the upcoming 1-AD?

I wouldn't expect Ergo to release the name of the compound as doing so obviously invites copycats.But a word along the lines of those who are prone to/have gyno or MPB as to wether or not 1-AD will be inherently problematic would be appreciated.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 10:35 PM (#2) User is offline   ersatz 

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Better not be some dhea bullshit or something like superdrol ng. I expect better from PA.
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Posted 14 March 2008 - 10:49 PM (#3) User is offline   methodice 

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 05:12 PM (#4) User is offline   ChemicalPA 

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QUOTE(ersatz @ Mar 14 2008, 07:35 PM) View Post
Better not be some dhea bullshit or something like superdrol ng. I expect better from PA.



it is a 1-test precursor.

it is exceptionally hard to manufacture and i have been working very hard almost every day for several months trying to get a good procedure down. i am going to either lose my mind or figure it out
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QUOTE(ChemicalPA @ Mar 19 2008, 06:12 PM) View Post
it is a 1-test precursor.

it is exceptionally hard to manufacture and i have been working very hard almost every day for several months trying to get a good procedure down. i am going to either lose my mind or figure it out


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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:12 PM (#6) User is offline   GhostfaceKillah 

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First I've heard of this. Definitely hoping it works out! The industry needs it's 1-test back. Will it have any potential in a transdermal?
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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:14 PM (#7) User is online   Benson 

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QUOTE (ChemicalPA @ Mar 19 2008, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it is a 1-test precursor.


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Posted 27 March 2008 - 10:02 PM (#8) User is offline   nightop 

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QUOTE (ChemicalPA @ Mar 19 2008, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it is a 1-test precursor.

it is exceptionally hard to manufacture and i have been working very hard almost every day for several months trying to get a good procedure down. i am going to either lose my mind or figure it out


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Posted 11 April 2008 - 12:16 PM (#9) User is offline   lindenhood 

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Hey Pat ... any updates on progress? Lost your mind yet!?
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 01:59 PM (#10) User is offline   ersatz 

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I wonder how this is progressing as well. Additionally, I always assumed if you could question your sanity it must surely indicate you retain some degree of it.
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 07:42 PM (#11) User is offline   ChemicalPA 

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QUOTE (lindenhood @ Apr 11 2008, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Pat ... any updates on progress? Lost your mind yet!?



today i feel like i am losing my mind for sure.

we should have something at least for limited sale by end of may
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 08:21 AM (#12) User is offline   Jay Black 

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QUOTE (Frangible @ Sep 2 2009, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If the music itself doesn't elevate your testosterone levels, you clearly do not have a Jay Black approved band.
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 02:26 PM (#13) User is offline   ChemicalPA 

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i got what seemed like a very cool result in my lab on friday. pray that it is reproducible when i get back on monday
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 04:40 PM (#14) User is online   rpen22 

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QUOTE (ChemicalPA @ Apr 27 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i got what seemed like a very cool result in my lab on friday. pray that it is reproducible when i get back on monday

Are you still working on ways to bring the price down? Is this new result related to that or completely different?
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Posted 29 April 2008 - 09:51 AM (#15) User is offline   ChemicalPA 

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QUOTE (rpen22 @ Apr 27 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you still working on ways to bring the price down? Is this new result related to that or completely different?



its related to that.

i can't seem to duplicate the results of the reaction i did on friday though. fucking typical
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Posted 07 May 2008 - 07:34 PM (#16) User is offline   lindenhood 

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QUOTE (ChemicalPA @ Apr 29 2008, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
its related to that.

i can't seem to duplicate the results of the reaction i did on friday though. fucking typical


Dont get discouraged...we are all ready for some good stuff from you
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Posted 10 May 2008 - 01:03 PM (#17) User is offline   ChemicalPA 

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QUOTE (lindenhood @ May 7 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dont get discouraged...we are all ready for some good stuff from you



OK i got the process fine tuned pretty well and we are starting production. we should make the spring deadline. i am stoked
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Posted 11 May 2008 - 02:27 PM (#18) User is offline   Jay Black 

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Hey Pat, you should make that stanolone precursor that's part of 3AD like you mentioned and sell it through Giant...biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (Frangible @ Sep 2 2009, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If the music itself doesn't elevate your testosterone levels, you clearly do not have a Jay Black approved band.
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Posted 12 May 2008 - 04:54 PM (#19) User is offline   ChemicalPA 

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QUOTE (Jay Black @ May 11 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Pat, you should make that stanolone precursor that's part of 3AD like you mentioned and sell it through Giant...biggrin.gif



androsterone? Why?

don't fall for the hype, its a pretty crappy prohormone. its actually a precursor to the 3alpha stuff Llewellyn used to sell, and that stuff was so / so

it will convert quite readily to androsterone sulfate and androsterone glucuronide and be excreted in the urine


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Posted 12 May 2008 - 04:55 PM (#20) User is offline   ChemicalPA 

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2-androstenol acetate OTOH is a possibility

i am too busy making 1-ad now. 1-ad will be king, again
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Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:12 PM (#21) User is offline   Jay Black 

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QUOTE (ChemicalPA @ May 12 2008, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2-androstenol acetate OTOH is a possibility

Yeah, this is what I meant; sorry. You had mentioned it in a thread over at bb.com I believe...
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QUOTE (Frangible @ Sep 2 2009, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If the music itself doesn't elevate your testosterone levels, you clearly do not have a Jay Black approved band.
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Posted 18 May 2008 - 10:17 PM (#22) User is offline   lindenhood 

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SWEET! I wasnt able to enjoy the original but I am ready to try the 2nd edition! Pat, any way we might be some of the first to be able to order some of the new stuff?
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QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 14 2008, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So can we have a bit on the upcoming 1-AD?

I wouldn't expect Ergo to release the name of the compound as doing so obviously invites copycats.But a word along the lines of those who are prone to/have gyno or MPB as to wether or not 1-AD will be inherently problematic would be appreciated.


PA said "New 1-AD" is very similar to old 1-AD, so probably de sides are the same.

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 01:12 PM (#24) User is online   Quinc 

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QUOTE (lindenhood @ May 18 2008, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
SWEET! I wasnt able to enjoy the original but I am ready to try the 2nd edition! Pat, any way we might be some of the first to be able to order some of the new stuff?



+1 ^^ =) be good for the boards if all the first logs where done on mindandmuscle.net.. better sales over at bb.com though =/
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QUOTE (ChemicalPA @ May 12 2008, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
androsterone? Why?

don't fall for the hype, its a pretty crappy prohormone. its actually a precursor to the 3alpha stuff Llewellyn used to sell, and that stuff was so / so

it will convert quite readily to androsterone sulfate and androsterone glucuronide and be excreted in the urine


yeah I was thinking why they added plain androsterone

wouldn't 1-androsterone have better conversion rate though and been a better addition or it equally sucks?
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 12:56 PM (#27) User is offline   ChemicalPA 

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QUOTE (raptor2003 @ May 21 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah I was thinking why they added plain androsterone

wouldn't 1-androsterone have better conversion rate though and been a better addition or it equally sucks?



the bottled product called 1-androsterone is something i have tested three times over the past year and a half. the first time caps were just dhea. the second time it was 50% of the target compound, and 50% DHEA. The last lot was 10% target compound and 90% DHEA

The target compound, if delivered in the proper amounts, should be a very good product. You will all see the 3rd week of June or so
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 01:07 PM (#28) User is online   rpen22 

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QUOTE (ChemicalPA @ May 23 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the bottled product called 1-androsterone is something i have tested three times over the past year and a half. the first time caps were just dhea. the second time it was 50% of the target compound, and 50% DHEA. The last lot was 10% target compound and 90% DHEA

The target compound, if delivered in the proper amounts, should be a very good product. You will all see the 3rd week of June or so


So this is the active in 1-AD?
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Posted 24 May 2008 - 07:09 PM (#29) User is offline   ChemicalPA 

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QUOTE (rpen22 @ May 23 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So this is the active in 1-AD?



it is

i have an uphill battle ahead of me because the same chemical has been on the market already for a year and half or so. the problem is, the bottles have all been crap. i have been testing them all along.

i will be up against people that tried the other product and got nothing from it. they will say that my stuff must suck too.

I will also be accused of being unoriginal. Well thats fine but i had been working on this since well before i got indicted. I had to stop working on it until relatively recently. So i certainly am not a copy cat.

I also am in a personal dilemna because the company that has been marketing this stuff for the last year and a half is run by two of my former salesman. We are gonna have to bust them out, we have no choice. But its gonna hurt them bad when we do, and we dunno what that is gonna do to our relationship with these guys.
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QUOTE (ChemicalPA @ May 24 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it is

i have an uphill battle ahead of me because the same chemical has been on the market already for a year and half or so. the problem is, the bottles have all been crap. i have been testing them all along.

i will be up against people that tried the other product and got nothing from it. they will say that my stuff must suck too.

I will also be accused of being unoriginal. Well thats fine but i had been working on this since well before i got indicted. I had to stop working on it until relatively recently. So i certainly am not a copy cat.

I also am in a personal dilemna because the company that has been marketing this stuff for the last year and a half is run by two of my former salesman. We are gonna have to bust them out, we have no choice. But its gonna hurt them bad when we do, and we dunno what that is gonna do to our relationship with these guys.

That is a shitty situation.
I was gonna ask you about that. I thought I remembered you saying you were close to AMS in some way.

Either way, I don't see this being much of a problem for your sales in the long run. I mean, you're the one most online consumers(bb.com) trust to test/confirm the major otc hormones right now. People will buy it. And if it works like you expect it to, I'm sure that'll clear up most of this.
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