[GBoGH]

I posted this up at a few other boards to see other's thoughts....I was thinking about stacking omnibolic (natural..similar to primo) and masteron and have come up with the following thoughts behind the idea...anyone who can add to this def. post up, i think it's a stack I might give a go.

Anabolic to androgenic ratio, the search for the perfect 50/50 ratio has led me to the thoughts below

The two compounds involved...the pure anabolic versus pure anadrogenic is the basis for my question on whether this could be a great stack or not.

Omnibolic:
Pure anabolic activity with no androgenic effects
Masteron:
Pure androgen derivitive of DHT exhibiting only modest anabolic properties, but TREMENDOUSLY powerful androgenic characteristics

My synergistic ideas behind this stack.

Masteron will cause many of the pleasant androgenic effects that testosterone will cause, such as agression, libido, and strength, but is not nearly as anabolic. Omnibolic will provide the anabolic effects half to the missing side of Masteron, a match made in heaven.

The masteron half (pure androgen) of the stack will increase the amounts of active free testosterone in circulation thus giving a greater effect of the omnibolic's pure anabolic presence over a Masteron-free system, IF aromatisation was an issue masteron would negate the side-effects that result from high levels of estrogen, HOWEVER we're de****g with the pure anabolic activity of Omnibolic that exhibits NO AROMATISATION.

It makes sense then that Masteron will increase the omnibolic's anabolic sensitivity in the system.

I'm all about lean quality gains versus quick bulkers brought on by aromatisation and bloat...I'm thinking about running this stack in the not so distant future and wanted to get some feedback and thoughts on it.
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[SupremeSportsEnhancements]

GBoGH, on Feb 10 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

I posted this up at a few other boards to see other's thoughts....I was thinking about stacking omnibolic (natural..similar to primo) and masteron and have come up with the following thoughts behind the idea...anyone who can add to this def. post up, i think it's a stack I might give a go.

Anabolic to androgenic ratio, the search for the perfect 50/50 ratio has led me to the thoughts below

The two compounds involved...the pure anabolic versus pure anadrogenic is the basis for my question on whether this could be a great stack or not.

Omnibolic:
Pure anabolic activity with no androgenic effects
Masteron:
Pure androgen derivitive of DHT exhibiting only modest anabolic properties, but TREMENDOUSLY powerful androgenic characteristics

My synergistic ideas behind this stack.

Masteron will cause many of the pleasant androgenic effects that testosterone will cause, such as agression, libido, and strength, but is not nearly as anabolic. Omnibolic will provide the anabolic effects half to the missing side of Masteron, a match made in heaven.

The masteron half (pure androgen) of the stack will increase the amounts of active free testosterone in circulation thus giving a greater effect of the omnibolic's pure anabolic presence over a Masteron-free system, IF aromatisation was an issue masteron would negate the side-effects that result from high levels of estrogen, HOWEVER we're de****g with the pure anabolic activity of Omnibolic that exhibits NO AROMATISATION.

It makes sense then that Masteron will increase the omnibolic's anabolic sensitivity in the system.

I'm all about lean quality gains versus quick bulkers brought on by aromatisation and bloat...I'm thinking about running this stack in the not so distant future and wanted to get some feedback and thoughts on it.
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Hey GBoGH! Great idea my friend!

To put things in to perspective, check this...

Dianabol has an Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio of Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio of 90(anabolic)/50(androgenic). Omnibolic has an Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio of 96(anabolic)/0(androgenic).

Thus, Omnibolic is a PURE ANABOLIC exhibiting ZERO androgenic activity! Masteron is a PURE ANDROGEN, exhibiting GREAT androgenic activity but with little anabolic activity. Stacking the TWO absolutely seems like a great idea.

So far, Omnibolic is like a Primobolan/Turinabol mix. I am HARD, DENSE, LEAN. VASCULAR, and constantly pumped. my strength is up and my bodyweight keeps nudging up although I am looking friggin shredded. Looking forward to week 3.

[ripped218]

SupremeSportsEnhancements, on Feb 12 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

Hey GBoGH! Great idea my friend!

To put things in to perspective, check this...

Dianabol has an Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio of Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio of 90(anabolic)/50(androgenic). Omnibolic has an Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio of 96(anabolic)/0(androgenic).

Thus, Omnibolic is a PURE ANABOLIC exhibiting ZERO androgenic activity! Masteron is a PURE ANDROGEN, exhibiting GREAT androgenic activity but with little anabolic activity. Stacking the TWO absolutely seems like a great idea.

So far, Omnibolic is like a Primobolan/Turinabol mix. I am HARD, DENSE, LEAN. VASCULAR, and constantly pumped. my strength is up and my bodyweight keeps nudging up although I am looking friggin shredded. Looking forward to week 3.

Were are you getting The Anabolic /androgenic ratio, for Omnibolic?Not bashing just very curious as to were it came from.Thanks

[captainbicept]

I would add some test in there as a base.

[GBoGH]

ripped218, on Feb 12 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

Were are you getting The Anabolic /androgenic ratio, for Omnibolic?Not bashing just very curious as to were it came from.Thanks

Omnibolic is a perfect anabolic
Masteron is a perfect androgen

Therefore you have the 50/50 ratio...you have to stack the two, the ratio isn't just for omni

[ripped218]

Perfect anaboilc is how it is marketed, I am not asking for that. I am asking how he got the Androgenic/Anabolic ratio or is he just pulling it out of the air?It seems to me since he has not addressed my question since I posted it, he is a little hesitent to say how he is quantifying that number. Or maybe he skipped over my post,But once again my question still stands.

[Odium]

This is ridiculously suspect. This guy shows up the same time as SSE as a sponsor and his first post is in the SSE forum. And now he's posting about how this Omnibolic is the "perfect/pure anabolic".

Anyway, why not just use some fucking testosterone?

[ripped218]

Odium, on Feb 21 2008, 06:29 PM, said:

This is ridiculously suspect. This guy shows up the same time as SSE as a sponsor and his first post is in the SSE forum. And now he's posting about how this Omnibolic is the "perfect/pure anabolic".

Anyway, why not just use some fucking testosterone?

I can see what you are saying, my problem is that they do not just hand out anabolic/androgenic ratios out to any compound they deem fit. Steroids are really the only thing assigned them. So I am wanting to hear his feedback on were the number he stated was from.If he can show me any kind of legitamacy to his claims , I would be satisfied.

[ShakesAllDay]

Odium, on Feb 21 2008, 05:29 PM, said:

This is ridiculously suspect. This guy shows up the same time as SSE as a sponsor and his first post is in the SSE forum. And now he's posting about how this Omnibolic is the "perfect/pure anabolic".

Anyway, why not just use some fucking testosterone?

Plus, the multiple uses of CAPITALIZATION.

I can't put my finger on it, but some things just seem wierd around here lately.

[Odium]

ripped218, on Feb 21 2008, 06:44 PM, said:

I can see what you are saying, my problem is that they do not just hand out anabolic/androgenic ratios out to any compound they deem fit. Steroids are really the only thing assigned them. So I am wanting to hear his feedback on were the number he stated was from.If he can show me any kind of legitamacy to his claims , I would be satisfied.

I have a problem with that too. And I'll tell you where that number comes from, insects.

[Archaic]

Why such a hate on for estrogen?

Estrogen is necessary and healthy, eliminating estrogen is not the best idea. Estrogen keeps your cholesterol levels normal, and is good for peripheral glucose disposal, as well as being important for mood.

[Archaic]

There is no such thing as a pure androgen or a pure anabolic, or 'ratios' they are simply silly 'brotellegence' terms applied to make oneself sound scientific.

[ripped218]

Archaic, on Feb 22 2008, 08:29 PM, said:

There is no such thing as a pure androgen or a pure anabolic, or 'ratios' they are simply silly 'brotellegence' terms applied to make oneself sound scientific.

I know there is no pure androgens or anabolics, but there are ratios and they are far from brotellegence. Please refer to ''Anabolic and Androgenic agents'' by Julius Vida. It contains approximately 650 agents. So maybe you should do some research before throwing the brotellegence word around. I mean do you even know how they test for it?Or is that just to make them sound smart?

[JBarna]

ShakesAllDay, on Feb 21 2008, 07:00 PM, said:

Plus, the multiple uses of CAPITALIZATION.

I can't put my finger on it, but some things just seem wierd around here lately.

x2

[Archaic]

ripped218, on Feb 22 2008, 06:43 PM, said:

I know there is no pure androgens or anabolics, but there are ratios and they are far from brotellegence. Please refer to ''Anabolic and Androgenic agents'' by Julius Vida. It contains approximately 650 agents. So maybe you should do some research before throwing the brotellegence word around. I mean do you even know how they test for it?Or is that just to make them sound smart?

Do you have a link to that reference?

Every androgen targets slightly different receptors and modulates them differently. Some are strong androgen receptor agonists in certain tissues, others are more/less strong in other tissues, some are known to strongly antagonize glucocorticoids, others interact with other steroid receptors like the estrogen receptor and even the progesterone receptor, not to mention the varying degree of binding to other blood proteins like SHBG or albumin and interaction with enzymes like 5-AR or aromatase, or the complex interaction of various hormones with brain chemistry.... etc..

The point being every drug is different, every drug has its own unique effects on the body, and splitting them into 2 dumbed down categories of anabolic and androgenic is foolish and extremely inaccurate. Think about it.

[rpen22]

Archaic, on Feb 22 2008, 09:04 PM, said:

Do you have a link to that reference?

It's an out-of-print book.
Here's a quote from the chapter "The Anabolic-Androgenic Ratio", out of the book Androgens and Anabolic Agents if you're interested.

The Anabolic-Androgenic Ratio said:

For clinical use, anabolic steroids should lack all androgenic properties; however, such compounds have not been reported. For practical purposes the anabolic-androgenic ratio is used as a measure of the usefulness of anabolic agents.

The anabolic and androgenic activities are compared to a standard, usually testosterone or testosterone propionate (subcutaneous administration) or a 17a-methyltestosterone oral (oral administration). There are four ways in which a favorable anabolic-androgenic ratio can be brought about:

(1) A large increase in androgenic property coupled with an even larger increase in the anabolic activity.
(2) An increase in the anabolic activity while maintaining the androgenic activity in the vicinity of that of the standard.
(3) A decrease in the androgenic activity while maintaining the anabolic activity in the vicinity of that of the standard.
(4) A decrease in the androgenic activity coupled with an increase in the anabolic activity.

The last case approaches the ideal situation to the greatest extent.

[Archaic]

That excerpt from the book basically said next to nothing, and I'd love to know what the credentials for the author are. No wonder it's out of print.

[ripped218]

Archaic, on Feb 22 2008, 11:04 PM, said:

Do you have a link to that reference?

Every androgen targets slightly different receptors and modulates them differently. Some are strong androgen receptor agonists in certain tissues, others are more/less strong in other tissues, some are known to strongly antagonize glucocorticoids, others interact with other steroid receptors like the estrogen receptor and even the progesterone receptor, not to mention the varying degree of binding to other blood proteins like SHBG or albumin and interaction with enzymes like 5-AR or aromatase, or the complex interaction of various hormones with brain chemistry.... etc..

The point being every drug is different, every drug has its own unique effects on the body, and splitting them into 2 dumbed down categories of anabolic and androgenic is foolish and extremely inaccurate. Think about it.

Just google Julius Vida, that part did say next to nothing, but he is one of the most well respected scientists there is . He is the head of about every drug companies research and development department, there is.I can see what you are trying to get at in your statements and I do partially agree with you. The Anabolic/Androgenic ratio does not describe all possible interactions that a certain drug has in the body therefore it is not useful.While I agree knowing just the ratio and nothing else about the drug may provide little help.But just because you think it is useless does not mean other people who actually develop these drugs listed, do.And it still has relevance, regardless of what you say.

[ShakesAllDay]

ripped218, on Feb 21 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

So I am wanting to hear his feedback on were the number he stated was from.If he can show me any kind of legitamacy to his claims , I would be satisfied.

I'm still waiting, as well.

[SupremeSportsEnhancements]

ShakesAllDay, on Feb 23 2008, 12:09 PM, said:

I'm still waiting, as well.

In our studies conducted with Dianabol(Methandrostenolone), Omnibolic had a higher ANABOLIC RATING with ZERO androgenic activity, and thus, the 100-0 rating.

Anadrol 50:
Androgenic: Anabolic Ratio: 45:320

Anavar:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 322-630:24

Androil:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 100:100

Andropen 275:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range):100:100

Deca-Durabolin:
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 125:37

Dianabol:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 90-210:40-60

Equipoise:
Anabolic/ Androgenic ratio: 100:50

Halotestin:
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:1,900/850

Masteron:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio:62:25

NPP:
Androgenic/Anabolic ratio: 37:125

Omnadren:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio: 100:100

Oral Turnibol:
Anabolic/ Androgenic ratio: >100:>0

Parabolan (Tren):
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500

Primobolan:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 88:44-57

Proviron:
Androgenic: Anabolic Ratio:30-40/100-150

Sustanon 250:
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100

Testosterone Cyp, Enanthate, Prop, Suspension
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100

Winstrol:
Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio:30:320

Hope this helps some of you

[ShakesAllDay]

SupremeSportsEnhancements, on Feb 24 2008, 11:16 AM, said:

In our studies conducted with Dianabol(Methandrostenolone), Omnibolic had a higher ANABOLIC RATING with ZERO androgenic activity, and thus, the 100-0 rating.

...

Hope this helps some of you

What studies?

[ripped218]

SupremeSportsEnhancements, on Feb 24 2008, 12:16 PM, said:

In our studies conducted with Dianabol(Methandrostenolone), Omnibolic had a higher ANABOLIC RATING with ZERO androgenic activity, and thus, the 100-0 rating.

Anadrol 50:
Androgenic: Anabolic Ratio: 45:320

Anavar:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 322-630:24

Androil:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 100:100

Andropen 275:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range):100:100

Deca-Durabolin:
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 125:37

Dianabol:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 90-210:40-60

Equipoise:
Anabolic/ Androgenic ratio: 100:50

Halotestin:
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:1,900/850

Masteron:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio:62:25

NPP:
Androgenic/Anabolic ratio: 37:125

Omnadren:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio: 100:100

Oral Turnibol:
Anabolic/ Androgenic ratio: >100:>0

Parabolan (Tren):
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500

Primobolan:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 88:44-57

Proviron:
Androgenic: Anabolic Ratio:30-40/100-150

Sustanon 250:
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100

Testosterone Cyp, Enanthate, Prop, Suspension
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100

Winstrol:
Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio:30:320

Hope this helps some of you

Yes please post the studies, and please don't tell us that this is from insect studies, because as we all know that would mean nothing for what this would do in humans.Thank you.

[SupremeSportsEnhancements]

ripped218, on Feb 24 2008, 03:50 PM, said:

Yes please post the studies, and please don't tell us that this is from insect studies, because as we all know that would mean nothing for what this would do in humans.Thank you.

http://www.supremesp...ss.com/sci.html

[Odium]

SupremeSportsEnhancements, on Feb 24 2008, 12:16 PM, said:

In our studies conducted with Dianabol(Methandrostenolone), Omnibolic had a higher ANABOLIC RATING with ZERO androgenic activity, and thus, the 100-0 rating.

Uh, wrong.

Just because it isn't androgenic, doesn't mean that its anabolic rating is 100. That is some seriously flawed logic.

[SupremeSportsEnhancements]

Odium, on Feb 26 2008, 12:54 PM, said:

Uh, wrong.

Just because it isn't androgenic, doesn't mean that its anabolic rating is 100. That is some seriously flawed logic.

Who the HECK said that? LOLL

Dianabol has an anaboic rating of 94, Omnibolic is 100.

[ripped218]

SupremeSportsEnhancements, on Feb 26 2008, 12:54 PM, said:

Who the HECK said that? LOLL

Dianabol has an anaboic rating of 94, Omnibolic is 100.

What I think he was infering is although the anabolic rating of Dianabol is 94, does that give the number for Omnibolic an automatic anabolic rating of 100?Why not 200 or even 95?From the studies you provied it does appear to be more anabolic but how are you quantifying the exact number of 100?Also not bustin balls but you originally said it was 96 in your post in reply to GB0GH.

[Odium]

SupremeSportsEnhancements, on Feb 26 2008, 12:54 PM, said:

Who the HECK said that? LOLL

Dianabol has an anaboic rating of 94, Omnibolic is 100.

What the hell are you talking about? I made no reference to D-bol, you did.

I said your logic is flawed. Just because you CLAIM that this stuff isn't androgenic but still anabolic, doesn't mean it's anabolic rating is 100. Forget the whole ratio nonsense, as you didn't really post ratios, otherwise Test and Tren would've had the same ratio 1/1 ... 100/100 = 500/500. But Test != Tren.

This guy is posting some serious bullshit. Is there some way we can vote to get a sponsor removed? I'm TIRED of the SPAM all OVER the PLACE.

[SupremeSportsEnhancements]

Odium, on Feb 26 2008, 08:39 PM, said:

What the hell are you talking about? I made no reference to D-bol, you did.

I said your logic is flawed. Just because you CLAIM that this stuff isn't androgenic but still anabolic, doesn't mean it's anabolic rating is 100. Forget the whole ratio nonsense, as you didn't really post ratios, otherwise Test and Tren would've had the same ratio 1/1 ... 100/100 = 500/500. But Test != Tren.

This guy is posting some serious bullshit. Is there some way we can vote to get a sponsor removed? I'm TIRED of the SPAM all OVER the PLACE.

So that is why you are being mean.

Omnibolic has a GREATER anabolic rating than Dianabol, plain and simple, END OF STORY.

[captainbicept]

SupremeSportsEnhancements, on Feb 26 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

Omnibolic has a GREATER anabolic rating than Dianabol, plain and simple, END OF STORY.

Thats a great way of proviong your point.
Thanks mommy. Are you going to tell me not to play near the stairs next, dont touch the hot stove, or else......
I mean really.
Where is that anabolic rating comming from?
You have failed (and I carefully reviewedyour studies) to post any reference that even remotely indicates Omnibolic may have an anabolic rating at all.
Just because a product is anabolic doesnt grant it a rating.
Otherwise Avant Labs could come out and say synthesize has an anabolic rating of 1000 with an obvious androgenic rating of 0.

[OwnYourInstinct]

SupremeSportsEnhancements, on Feb 24 2008, 11:16 AM, said:

In our studies conducted with Dianabol(Methandrostenolone), Omnibolic had a higher ANABOLIC RATING with ZERO androgenic activity, and thus, the 100-0 rating.

Anadrol 50:
Androgenic: Anabolic Ratio: 45:320

Anavar:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 322-630:24

Androil:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 100:100

Andropen 275:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range):100:100

Deca-Durabolin:
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 125:37

Dianabol:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 90-210:40-60

Equipoise:
Anabolic/ Androgenic ratio: 100:50

Halotestin:
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:1,900/850

Masteron:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio:62:25

NPP:
Androgenic/Anabolic ratio: 37:125

Omnadren:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio: 100:100

Oral Turnibol:
Anabolic/ Androgenic ratio: >100:>0

Parabolan (Tren):
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500

Primobolan:
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 88:44-57

Proviron:
Androgenic: Anabolic Ratio:30-40/100-150

Sustanon 250:
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100

Testosterone Cyp, Enanthate, Prop, Suspension
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100

Winstrol:
Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio:30:320

Hope this helps some of you

Comparing Ecdysterone to Dianabol is not feasible, if it was, then everyone would be ditching AAS/PS/DS for Ecdysterone/omnibolic, which they're not...

If Ecdysterone doesnt affect or modulate the androgen receptor, then we're talking apples and oranges here..