[Jay Black]

http://www.islandsupplements.com/ctd-labs-...caps-p1211.html

Any thoughts?

[JBarna]

"Caution: Athletes or others that are tested under the International Olympic Committee or similar drug testing organization may test positive for sports enhancing drugs. All athletes are recommended to check their program's drug policy regarding over the counter dietary supplements before using any of these supplements"

-No Mr. Officer, its not Trenbolone, its Trenbolen

I see a nice way to cover up some AAS use.

[Jay Black]

But do you think it actually works/has the correct chemical in there/aromatizes/blah blah or does the job of real tren itself?

[JBarna]

The Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione molecule is literally the closest thing to Trenbolone on the market. Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione can easily be converted to Trenbolone through organic chemical reactions.

Every drug we ingest has to convert through organic chemical reactions. However, I dont know if Cytochrome P450 has any effect on this drug or not because of there claims on HPTA and low liver toxicity. But if it does convert then i would think its golden.

[Jay Black]

So, who's the guinea pig?

[zachattack43]

JBarna, on Feb 9 2008, 09:52 PM, said:

The Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione molecule is literally the closest thing to Trenbolone on the market. Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione can easily be converted to Trenbolone through organic chemical reactions.

Every drug we ingest has to convert through organic chemical reactions. However, I dont know if Cytochrome P450 has any effect on this drug or not because of there claims on HPTA and low liver toxicity. But if it does convert then i would think its golden.

PA begs to differ, many tren products have the same chemical and PA say our body cant add or something with the 11th bond, real tren has a 4,9 and 11 bond and I believe this stuff aromatizes, while real tren does not.

[Jay Black]

So this is the same thing as that FinaGenX?

[zachattack43]

Jeff, on Feb 9 2008, 11:04 PM, said:

So this is the same thing as that FinaGenX?

i meant the one that currently portray themselves as tren use that same chemical structure

[rpen22]

Jeff, on Feb 9 2008, 10:04 PM, said:

So this is the same thing as that FinaGenX?

FiniGenX + Max LMG

[Jay Black]

I've never looked into either...does that mean it's crap basically?

[JBarna]

zachattack43, on Feb 10 2008, 12:52 AM, said:

PA begs to differ, many tren products have the same chemical and PA say our body cant add or something with the 11th bond, real tren has a 4,9 and 11 bond and I believe this stuff aromatizes, while real tren does not.

Sorry, I should have added quotes around the first sentence because that was straight from there website, not my words.

[zachattack43]

Jeff, on Feb 10 2008, 08:30 AM, said:

I've never looked into either...does that mean it's crap basically?

dont know, but from what PA say its not tren:D

[BlackFlag]

Jeff, on Feb 9 2008, 10:30 PM, said:

http://www.islandsupplements.com/ctd-labs-...caps-p1211.html

Any thoughts?

Goooood bye libido

[Heavy_Lifter85]

Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione is a C-11-C-12 bond (and a three -OH) away from trenbolone; there is no enzyme in the body capable of adding this bond. This hormone cannot aromatize.

13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one cannor aromatize either. However, both compounds likely have activity as progestins. Also, keep in mind a hormone need not aromatize to have estrogenic activity (DHEA metabolites for example).

This is a handy reference:

http://www.chem.qmul...eroid/3S01.html

[Jon]

Jeff, on Feb 9 2008, 09:04 PM, said:

So this is the same thing as that FinaGenX?

I had great results with FinaGenX about 4 years ago when PharmagenX had 1st brought it out.