[habit]

A buddy gave me two bottles of this he had pre ban. Anyone tell me or link me to some solid information on what to expect from it, dosage, during cycle supps, etc.

I am assuming it will shut you down enough to need a PCT? Is it worth using if one had access to orals like Dbol, and Abombs, etc?

[Heavy_Lifter85]

http://www.bodybuild.../store/1ad.html and maybe the ergopharm website.

The double bond at C-1 increases oral bioavailability. It's a diol, so it must convert via some enzyme before it becomes active. It was very popular, but I don't see it coming close to the real deal.

[Jay Black]

I'd say go ahead and use it. It's still a great product. It's a precursor to 1-testosterone, which we all remember being fantastic. Yes, it will require PCT, but just 50mg clomid ED will suffice I would say, and possibly Lean Xtreme 2.0.

Dose, I think your supposed to start with 300mg ED, and work up to no more than 600mg, depending on how you tolerate it (IIRC, more isn't better with this one). During cycle supps: Na-R-ALA and NAC, and of course the usuals like fish oil will cut it.

[quigs]

habit, on Feb 2 2008, 07:01 PM, said:

A buddy gave me two bottles of this he had pre ban. Anyone tell me or link me to some solid information on what to expect from it, dosage, during cycle supps, etc.

I am assuming it will shut you down enough to need a PCT? Is it worth using if one had access to orals like Dbol, and Abombs, etc?

1-AD is definitely a quality product...I had great success with this and 4AD. Puts a major hit on libido though, and the lethargy is a real problem for some. If you've got it, then use it. But yea, dbol is much better.

[Benson]

Note...its also scheduled so possession is no different from any other 'real' AAS.

[captainbicept]

You could make an excellent cycle using 1 AD. I would do something like this:
weeks 1-10 test enanthate or cypionate 400-500mg/week
weeks 1-4 1AD
The 1AD would be a nice jump start to the cycle in my opinion.

[D-termine]

1AD I found to be rather harsh, but certainly effective. It was great with 4AD, I would say running it with PP would probably be a good idea to circumvent any undesirable sides.

[habit]

captainbicept, on Feb 15 2008, 02:09 PM, said:

You could make an excellent cycle using 1 AD. I would do something like this:
weeks 1-10 test enanthate or cypionate 400-500mg/week
weeks 1-4 1AD
The 1AD would be a nice jump start to the cycle in my opinion.

Really, better than dbol? Cause I have access to tons cheap, and if I am going to fuck around with my liver than I want the best I am going to get.

Though dbol does puff my nipples out way more than I need. Same potential for gyno with 1 AD?

[habit]

D-termine, on Feb 17 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

1AD I found to be rather harsh, but certainly effective. It was great with 4AD, I would say running it with PP would probably be a good idea to circumvent any undesirable sides.

Can you elaborate on the undesirable sides? Lethargy mentioned above sucks, I am lazy enough as it is.

Ironically enough I was going to post here asking in a vs match, to pick 1AD or PP as I have tons of both. You mention running them together....any reasoning on how that would supress the sides. What about liver damage....two orals at the same time....eeesh....

BTW, Benson, thanks for the legality info. Came in handy...

[maggmaster]

1 ad has no effect on the liver, as far as we now, it is not methylated. 1 ad is a totally different compound, dbol is wet with huge gains, 1 ad is dry and highly anabolic. I prefer 1 ad, it doesn't make me that lethargic and I put on slow steady quality weight. No risk of Gyno save the rebound at the end of the cycle.

[quigs]

habit, on Feb 18 2008, 12:01 PM, said:

Can you elaborate on the undesirable sides? Lethargy mentioned above sucks, I am lazy enough as it is.

Ironically enough I was going to post here asking in a vs match, to pick 1AD or PP as I have tons of both. You mention running them together....any reasoning on how that would supress the sides. What about liver damage....two orals at the same time....eeesh....

BTW, Benson, thanks for the legality info. Came in handy...

Lethargy was pretty bad with even 300mg of 1AD...but the gains were great. Extremely high quality, great strength gains, etc. Its relatively easy on the liver (although may elevate liver enzymes slightly -- its nothing like the current crop of designer methylated orals). As far as running PP along with 1AD, this might be a decent route to take but I'd much rather run Dbol with 1AD instead. Better yet, test and 1AD.

PP seems to increase libido/energy in many users, and also tends to be a "wetter" hormone. I'm guessing that this is why it was suggested as a stacking partner for 1AD.

Dbol makes me feel like a million bucks, and if I keep the dosages lower I don't have much problem with bloat. Also, the leaning effects of 1-test would help to counteract the Dbol bloat to some extent. Remember, 1-test is 5-alpha-reduced boldenone.

[D-termine]

Ditto to what quiqs said

[captainbicept]

habit, on Feb 18 2008, 11:55 AM, said:

Really, better than dbol? Cause I have access to tons cheap, and if I am going to fuck around with my liver than I want the best I am going to get.

Though dbol does puff my nipples out way more than I need. Same potential for gyno with 1 AD?

1Ad is not liver toxic it is not methylated. Therefore it is a little safer then dbol. As far as "better" they are just different. Dbol is a true bulking drug. 1-test, the drug 1AD converts to provides dry lean gains. You wont gain as much weight on 1-test compared to dbol. However, the gains will be much drier.