I am considering running the following:
1-3 20mgs SD, ED
4-6 40mgs Epi, ED
I will be taking all the usual ancillaries along side the cycle.
I am an experienced AAS user or was when i lived in the UK and would normally only consider pharm/reputable UG AAS and standard PCT meds (Clomid, Nolva) but now my situation has changed and after a little research decided it may be feasible to get some good results from OTC products.
For PCT i was thinking along the lines of:
Wks 1-4, 4 caps Anabolic Innovations PCS, ED
Wks 1-4, 5 pumps Dermo Sustain, ED
1-4 Mass fx 4 caps ED
1-4 Hyperdrol X2 4 caps ED
Retain X2 3/3/2/1
Plus some creatine mono
As yet I am unable to find a SERM from a supplement manafacturer, will these AI's do the trick at restoring test levels? and will i be able to recover from my cycle? Will the adding trib, fenu etc be of any benefit?
Also do the Resveratrol products need to be tapered - like a clomid/nolva PCT
I realise this is not ideal and a fair few responses will advise the purchase of a SERM but i would really appreciate some feedback on what people think of the proposed PCT and anything they would add (that isnt a serm).
thanks in advance
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Should i even consider an OTC PCT? recovery from a 6 wk oral cycle using OTC products
Posted 20 December 2007 - 03:42 PM (#2)
I wouldn't recommend an AI after a cycle of SD as the sole estrogen blocker in your post cycle. There have been rebound issues with gynecomastia I believe were linked to heavily suppressed E levels post cycle due to the use of an AI. Better off with Nolva or Clomid if you can swing it.
After reading through your post again, perhaps give Designer Supplements Rebound Reloaded a try alongside their Activate Xtreme for your pct. I've had good experiences with that combo in the past
After reading through your post again, perhaps give Designer Supplements Rebound Reloaded a try alongside their Activate Xtreme for your pct. I've had good experiences with that combo in the past
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It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. ~Krishnamurti
Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy. ~Voltaire
My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute. ~Ayn Rand
Posted 20 December 2007 - 06:51 PM (#3)
Dermacrine Sustain is fairly awesome for PCT, but I would have a backup SERM in case things go south, save the AI for after the SERM.
Posted 21 December 2007 - 11:18 AM (#4)
Thanks for the replys, is there any info out there on Sustain/Resveratrol and its effectiveness at restoring T levels? I have also come across some confusion as to whether this is a SERm or not? any evidence of this?
Should i also restructure the PCT?
4 week Sustain+PCS
then
4 week AX stack??
Any help and info would be greatly appreciated - I am trying to research as much as possible and learn all i can to help design cycles and recover from them properly
Should i also restructure the PCT?
4 week Sustain+PCS
then
4 week AX stack??
Any help and info would be greatly appreciated - I am trying to research as much as possible and learn all i can to help design cycles and recover from them properly
Posted 27 December 2007 - 12:47 PM (#5)
If your only doing a 6 week cycle then Sustain for 4 weeks would cover your PCT. The resveratrol is both a mild SERM and anti-aromatase. It would not have to be tapered, and it is something that you could continue using long after PCT if you like its effects.
I would save any 7-keto DHEA anti-cortisol sups for after PCT since these can interfere with your natural T recovery.
-Pp
I would save any 7-keto DHEA anti-cortisol sups for after PCT since these can interfere with your natural T recovery.
-Pp
Posted 28 December 2007 - 10:08 AM (#6) Guest_babyblu_*
Bumping PP. Def use sustain as I recommended in the thread you posted on AM
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