[dopafiend]

What are your thoughts on this? I was wondering if it would be ok to use 1, 5 gram packet (50mg's testosterone) every day for three weeks for libido, gym work etc?--and would 6-oxo, zma, serm, be suffecient enough for PCT? Also does anyone else have any experience with this stuff? Opinions?

[B5150]

After absorption you net 5mg/d. This is likely less then what you currently produce naturally and just enough to inhibit and or otherwise disrupt your HPTA. It is not advisable for an otherwise healthy male to use it this way.

[zuper1]

Needdles is the way as for Test

[dopafiend]

Thanks to both of you. I needed this answer as I'm not very informed when it comes to anabolics. I was quite excited when this stuff was given to me and I had this image of being a raging alpha beast. Looks like small nuts is my only destination. Your replies are much appreciated.

[zuper1]

 dopafiend, on Dec 11 2007, 01:54 AM, said:

Looks like small nuts is my only destination.

No man,if your secondary there's HCG.
But are you low in T...bloodwork,age,'history'?
Ooor just another healthy kid without discipline and want to be a beast or a champ...?

[dopafiend]

Healthy? yes. Kid? no. Undisciplined? sometimes. Want to be a beast and a champ? absolutely! I'm 26 years old and my doctor prescribed me testosterone enanthate when I was 17 years old because I had low T. I quit therapy after a while just because I felt no more need to continue. My father has low T and his doctor prescribed him androgel. This is just my own speculation but I have been experiencing symptoms of somewhat low T. I'm on effexor and wellbutrin and with school and work, my libido, energy, drive, assertiveness, and lifting capabilities have declined to some extent. I have also gained some weight around my midsection. I was considering the possibiilty that I may have low T and a little boost in all of those areas would be fantastic!!!

[zuper1]

 dopafiend, on Dec 11 2007, 06:34 AM, said:

Healthy? yes. Kid? no. Undisciplined? sometimes. Want to be a beast and a champ? absolutely! I'm 26 years old and my doctor prescribed me testosterone enanthate when I was 17 years old because I had low T. I quit therapy after a while just because I felt no more need to continue. My father has low T and his doctor prescribed him androgel. This is just my own speculation but I have been experiencing symptoms of somewhat low T. I'm on effexor and wellbutrin and with school and work, my libido, energy, drive, assertiveness, and lifting capabilities have declined to some extent. I have also gained some weight around my midsection. I was considering the possibiilty that I may have low T and a little boost in all of those areas would be fantastic!!!

So you are hypogonadal..LH,FSH,Total T,E2 levels?

[Benson]

 dopafiend, on Dec 10 2007, 11:34 PM, said:

I was considering the possibiilty that I may have low T and a little boost in all of those areas would be fantastic!!!

You might want to try low dose AI or clomid therapy before sentencing yourself to a lifetime of HRT.

[razg]

 Benson, on Dec 11 2007, 11:06 AM, said:

You might want to try low dose AI or clomid therapy before sentencing yourself to a lifetime of HRT.

Yeah, check out this thread started by Benson regarding Clomid.

[ozzman]

 da_sense, on Dec 11 2007, 04:19 PM, said:

I can definitely say that 25mg clomid daily and 1 mg anastrazole ever 5 days does work. Not so much regarding muscle building, but libido, mood and generally psychological effects are present.

I can attest to 50 mg daily and 6-oxo daily as a great way to boost your own test. I will have blood test soon.

[dopafiend]

 zuper1, on Dec 11 2007, 02:26 AM, said:

So you are hypogonadal..LH,FSH,Total T,E2 levels?

I haven't had blood work done recently. Ironically enough my girlfriend's dad is a endocrinologist. I guess the purpose of my question was to get feedback on the safety and efficacy of androgel because I was wanting to try it on my own accord. I wanted to try it for three weeks to get a feel for it as I will have bloodwork done somtime soon. I was also trying to find out if 6-oxo would be a sufficient PCT for such a low dose and low cycle period.

[zuper1]

 dopafiend, on Dec 12 2007, 10:02 PM, said:

I haven't had blood work done recently. Ironically enough my girlfriend's dad is a endocrinologist. I guess the purpose of my question was to get feedback on the safety and efficacy of androgel because I was wanting to try it on my own accord. I wanted to try it for three weeks to get a feel for it as I will have bloodwork done somtime soon. I was also trying to find out if 6-oxo would be a sufficient PCT for such a low dose and low cycle period.

If you had been prescribed Test at 17 yo by doc might/may have hormone issues.You SHOULD check levels first and then see..
For instance if you're secondary you could benefit from HCG only which is prefered instead of exogenous T.Or T plus HCG to keep your balls working.If you're primary exogenous T Only, is the way,in shots IMO.
But you shall know your levels,going on TRT is a decision requires thought,you might not need it.
In my case I went on TRT almost for one year and now 'fighting' to recover,like i had one year cycle ..I probably didn't need it.. .You know there a lot about lifestyle,nutrition,proper training,rest,stress management,positive outlook etc..that affect hormones

[SteveSliwa]

 b5150, on Dec 10 2007, 03:40 PM, said:

After absorption you net 5mg/d. This is likely less then what you currently produce naturally and just enough to inhibit and or otherwise disrupt your HPTA. It is not advisable for an otherwise healthy male to use it this way.

I've used 50 mg every now and then when working out and found it to be quite helpful.

[zuper1]

BTW better with Testim Gel.

[zuper1]

BTW better with Testim Gel.

[SteveSliwa]

 zuper1, on Jan 4 2008, 08:57 AM, said:

BTW better with Testim Gel.

What's the difference? I'm using the Testogel brand currently.

[avantgarde]

Different pharmacokinetics. Apparently Testim results in higher levels of free testosterone for a longer time.

Since you appear to "pulse" your testosterone-gel this might be contrary to what you want but is an advantage for guys on TRT.

I think Testim also has an emollient base . ie it doesn´t dry your skin at the site of application.

[SteveSliwa]

 avantgarde, on Jan 4 2008, 09:28 AM, said:

Different pharmacokinetics. Apparently Testim results in higher levels of free testosterone for a longer time.

Since you appear to "pulse" your testosterone-gel this might be contrary to what you want but is an advantage for guys on TRT.

I think Testim also has an emollient base . ie it doesn´t dry your skin at the site of application.

My gel gives 24 hour release. Nothing on Testim's website seems to make it seem any better. It also doesnt dry my skin at all.

The effects give me exactly what i want and I'm not on TRT.

[avantgarde]

PMID: 15878382

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:YyWqn...;cd=1&gl=se

[SteveSliwa]

 avantgarde, on Jan 4 2008, 04:31 PM, said:

PMID: 15878382

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:YyWqn...;cd=1&gl=se

Interesting but it doesnt discuss the product i use. I'm happy with it anyways. Thanks.

[avantgarde]

Androgel=Testogel

[SteveSliwa]

Looks similar but not identical. I'm getting all I need out of it which is all that matters to me.