[Colin]

It looks like I will be aqquiring injectible epi in the near future and I plan on a 10 week cycle at 20mg's per week,along with ralox at 120mg nightly with a fatty meal to increase uptake.

Pics will be taken beforehand,mid-way point and afterwards.I will keep a log on the cycle here,as well.




Possible adjuncts:

PGF-2a (3 weeks worth at 2 injections e/d)

5mg bromocriptine

Andractim

A topical fat burner a'la Napalm or Penetrate with a slew of actives added.I am guessing that Napalm could hold an extra 3 grams of actives,if that.This would be used after PGF-2a.

Available actives for Penetrate are ATD,formestane,6-AA,yohimbine,caffiene and glz acid.Glz. acid apparently has some potential WRT gyno teatment but I don't have the full text on the study so it's a bit of a toss up.The inclusion of glz. acid in Napalm is the sole reason I would go with Napalm over my own concoction.Then again,if I were to use Andractim along with a fat burner,I would then go with Napalm as I wouldn't need the extra space for the hormonal powders.

My gyno is pubertal in nature (no hard tissue,pointy nips nor discharge) and the disproportionate amount of fat on my pecs certainly needs to be burnt off via a spot reducer.If I did go with Andractim,I would likely apply the topical fat burner in the AM,accounting for oxidized b/f through AM exercise + the metabolic slow down upon sleep.

The Andractim I am not sure on the frequency of application nor the ideal application time so I will have to look into this more.

Thoughts WRT planning and final selection of this stack would be quite welcome.

[eclypz]

How much is this going to cost you?

[JBarna]

whats the concentration of the epi?

[Colin]

I'm not sure yet on the price,but it'll be a fraction of the price of surgery (maybe a tenth,if that) and I won't be immobile for two months.

I'm looking at 200mg of epitiostanol,to be injected at 20mg per week.I'm not sure what you're thinking WRT the concentration question as this isn't Epistane nor Havoc.

[rpen22]

Colin, on Nov 12 2007, 10:54 PM, said:

Available actives for Penetrate are ATD,formestane,6-AA,yohimbine,caffiene and glz acid.Glz. acid apparently has some potential WRT gyno teatment but I don't have the full text on the study so it's a bit of a toss up.The inclusion of glz. acid in Napalm is the sole reason I would go with Napalm over my own concoction.Then again,if I were to use Andractim along with a fat burner,I would then go with Napalm as I wouldn't need the extra space for the hormonal powders.

The yohimbine, caffeine, and glycyrrhetinic acid wont work in the Penetrate carrier since they're hydrophilic.

[rpen22]

Maybe he thought you were referring to Epinephrine when you said Epi?

[Colin]

rpen22, on Nov 12 2007, 10:31 PM, said:

The yohimbine, caffeine, and glycyrrhetinic acid wont work in the Penetrate carrier since they're hydrophilic.

Thanks,I had thought that Penetrate was a re-issue of the same carrier used in Lipoderm-Y,maybe I was thinking of gel#2.OTOH I think that there WAS some sort of localized delivery vehicle for sale at NP but after looking at both BN and NP I don't see anything.

[rpen22]

Colin, on Nov 12 2007, 11:43 PM, said:

Thanks,I had thought that Penetrate was a re-issue of the same carrier used in Lipoderm-Y,maybe I was thinking of gel#2.OTOH I think that there WAS some sort of localized delivery vehicle for sale at NP but after looking at both BN and NP I don't see anything.

Penetrate is the same carrier from FL7. NP used to have bulk Lipoderm-Y(carrier+actives), but I don't think it ever got restocked after it sold out. Same with NP's bulk Ab-Solved.

[dashforce]

I'll recommend against ATD. I have seen zero results while my ATD dose was high, and now that its lowered my gyno has shrunk considerably (correlation != causation, blah blah blah)

ATD has been shown (in rats) to have considerable anti-androgenic effects; I would go with another AI. Maybe letro? Being non-steroidal, you should have no AR interference (I hope) and it seems to be absolutely crushing to E2 levels.

[GeorgeHavener]

Letro will tear your penis off, and will probably shut his immune system down on all these other AI's/AE's.

Get me the damn trade name for Epi, Colin. The brand name please.

[JBarna]

rpen22, on Nov 13 2007, 02:33 AM, said:

Maybe he thought you were referring to Epinephrine when you said Epi?

I was. I was about to call him a retard for taking Epinephrine for fat loss. Epinephrine comes in two concentration 1:1000 for anaphylactic shock, and 1:10000 for cardiac arrest. I would say you could get away with taking 1:1000 but you sure as hell wouldnt like it!

[nelix]

You have pretty good connections there...
I hate this country sometimes, it is pretty much impossible to get anything more anabolic than a ham sandwich into this country (well... ethically anyway).

I can't wait to see this log.

[nelix]

nelix, on Nov 14 2007, 08:55 AM, said:

You have pretty good connections there...
I hate this country sometimes, it is pretty much impossible to get anything more anabolic than a ham sandwich into this country (well... ethically anyway).

I can't wait to see this log.

bump

[spinoza]

Colin, on Nov 13 2007, 06:54 AM, said:

It looks like I will be aqquiring injectible epi in the near future and I plan on a 10 week cycle at 20mg's per week,along with ralox at 120mg nightly with a fatty meal to increase uptake.

Pics will be taken beforehand,mid-way point and afterwards.I will keep a log on the cycle here,as well.
Possible adjuncts:

PGF-2a (3 weeks worth at 2 injections e/d)

5mg bromocriptine

Andractim

A topical fat burner a'la Napalm or Penetrate with a slew of actives added.I am guessing that Napalm could hold an extra 3 grams of actives,if that.This would be used after PGF-2a.

Available actives for Penetrate are ATD,formestane,6-AA,yohimbine,caffiene and glz acid.Glz. acid apparently has some potential WRT gyno teatment but I don't have the full text on the study so it's a bit of a toss up.The inclusion of glz. acid in Napalm is the sole reason I would go with Napalm over my own concoction.Then again,if I were to use Andractim along with a fat burner,I would then go with Napalm as I wouldn't need the extra space for the hormonal powders.

My gyno is pubertal in nature (no hard tissue,pointy nips nor discharge) and the disproportionate amount of fat on my pecs certainly needs to be burnt off via a spot reducer.If I did go with Andractim,I would likely apply the topical fat burner in the AM,accounting for oxidized b/f through AM exercise + the metabolic slow down upon sleep.

The Andractim I am not sure on the frequency of application nor the ideal application time so I will have to look into this more.

Thoughts WRT planning and final selection of this stack would be quite welcome.

I`m not 100% sure, but I have read some reaserch on pgf2a and its effect on mammary cells "pumping" and hyperplasia, it was a reaserch on sheep... Even if it kills fat cells, maybe it is going to trigger true gyno... If I unerstood you correctly, you`re saying you have pseudogyno, but are you sure it is not true gyno- you say "pubertal in nature", "disproportionate amount of fat on my pecs", sounds like true gyno.
And what pgf2a are you`re planning to use (analog or...)- because some (if not all) analogs can be used transdermaly (for fat loss)...
Just asking, I have a similar problem since puberty, but mine nips are pointy, not hard, I think it is true gyno... I`m planning to try proviron (mixed with dmso cream and used topicaly), I can`t get andactrim, but getting proviron is very cheap and easy here, so is pgf2a, also I`m on nolva (can`t get ralox)...

[Colin]

I'm not going to touch PGF or any of its analogues,after all.Further research on my part showed potential for heart damage and as I've already got an enlarged heart I'm not taking any chances.Now that I see there's potential for gyno makes me even more pissed at myself for not putting in the requisite research beforehand.

Avant's Research's Napalm is what I'll be using instead,to deal with the excess fat.

I'm also having trouble sourcing the epi so wether or not this log will actually manifest itself into reality has become questionable.

[Owen70]

colin, have you looked into resveratrol for decreasing heart size...its in one of these threads about the side effects of pheraplex.... (madol)


http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/66...plex-heart.html

and wrt to PGF (written by Slge over at bodybuilding.com) http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.p...041&page=17
Since I keep getting pms about more info on PGF2a Ill post an old article I wrote about it. Everyone needs to understand that NO ONE should ever use PGF2a. Trust me when I tell you it is not worth it at all and is extremely stupid to use.

Prostaglandins (PGF2Aa) are in a class of hormones known as EICOSANOIDS, which use fat as their raw materials. Scientists, Kurzrok and Lieb, discovered prostaglandins in 1930. PGF2a are known to regulate protein synthesis in skeletal muscles. It was originally used to help induce labor in cattle and was noticed to cause muscle growth. PGF2a has been used in the bodybuilding community over the last 5 years (even longer now its a very old article) for localized muscle growth in lagging muscle groups.
I will be discussing the straight version of PGF2a not the analog versions, as some have no anabolic properties whatsoever. It should be noted that PGF2A is not currently approved for use in humans and should be considered very hazardous to a woman?s health.
PGF2a mediates the major parts of insulin and is great for increasing the growth of weak body parts (calves, delts and arms); it should not be associated with synthol (oil injected into weak areas for temporary gains). The gains are in real muscle tissue and are permanent. PGF2a may also be used as a thermogenic, as body temperature is increased after the administration of exogenous PGF2a. Unlike other fat burners, which only decrease the size of fat cells, PGF2a actually destroys them. Fat cells die when exposed to PGF2a.
Side effects associated with its use are an elevation in body temperature, vomiting, troubled breathing and gastrointestinal pain. It vasoconstricts the lungs making you feel as if you have a throat cold, thereby making it a little hard to take deep breaths. PGF2a will enhance hypoglycemia, so necessary precautions should followed.
PGF2a should be injected in the muscle, not in a vein. If injected into a vein, severe pain will last upwards of an hour. A dose of injected PGF2a has a very short half-life in the body (minutes actually), most of which is destroyed in the lungs, thus making frequent injections necessary. Inject as far away from the intestine as possible. It will induce a very strong contraction of the intestine and bladder, emptying the stomach and intestines of all its contents, and will last for 20 minutes. So make sure that you have unrestricted use of a bathroom.
There are stimulatory effects on the actions of anabolics which makes them(effects)last longer. PGF2a and anabolic/androgenic steroids potentiate each other too much, making workout pumps almost painful. Therefore, the two should not be used together. PGF2a will make training near impossible because of the pump that is created from this drug. Although weight poundage during workouts may need to be decreased significantly during its use, strength will increase because of the new muscle growth after PGF2a is discontinued. Try to stay away from injecting into sore muscles. Do not inject in the same muscle that was just trained; try to wait 2-3 days before injecting into that body part and stop injecting 24 hours before training it again. Injecting into the outer heads of muscles hurts much less than inner heads.

The main drawback of PGF2a is the difficulty of administration, because of the short half-life the injections will be very frequent. Dosages should be built up slowly and injection sites should be changed frequently. Normally PGF2a comes in 25mgs per 5ml (1ml= 5mgs). If you used 1ml per injection, 5 times per day, you would use 1 vial per day (2 vials if you use 2 ml). There is no optimal dosing schedule for PGF2a but as a starting point, do not use more than 2 ml per injection, and no more than 4 sites per day. This way, all parts will be kept equal. If you inject 2ml in the right shoulder, then the next shot you would use should be 2 ml in the left shoulder. That is 2 sites. Then if you used 2ml in the right calf and 2 in the left calf, that?s 4 sites per day. Rotate to 2 different sites on the next day (rear delts, triceps, etc.). It usually takes 1 week to notice the results of the PGF2a and it should not be used less than 2 times per day. The vials of PGF2a need to be refrigerated. The overall dose of PGF2a can be decreased if used when insulin secretion is at its highest point, 30 minutes after meals preferably.
Cycle length is usually determined by how long someone can stand using it. Best cycle advice would be between steroid cycles. Two months would give great growth and still let your body recoup from the last cycle of steroids. This is not a huge weight-gainer type drug; it is best used to bring up lagging body parts and to help close the bridge between steroid cycles.
Something else to consider is that it is currently not tested by any athletic testing group. So, for all the athletes who need to be concerned with their drug use, what type of results would a GH/INSULIN/PGF2a cycle bring? We will have to wait and see. Although it may alter the testosterone / epitestosterone values, but to what degree, is unknown. Creatine should be used with doses from 10-20 grams per day and aspirin at normal doses will greatly weaken its effect. To help with the pain associated with its use, try ice applied directly to the area being injected. PGF2a, called Lutalyse, is currently being made by Upjohn.
Is PGF2a a perfect drug, far from it. Is it better than synthol, or other oil supplements, I believe so. PGF2a does have its side effects and should be considered just as dangerous as any other drug, but hopefully it will help in keeping all the weight that is normally lost after the steroid cycle is discontinued. As Dan Duchaine once said,? Body builders healthy?.. who knows?.. big and lean... definitely!?
Sldgehmr

[Colin]

Owen70, on Dec 26 2007, 10:45 AM, said:

colin, have you looked into resveratrol for decreasing heart size...its in one of these threads about the side effects of pheraplex.... (madol)
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/66...plex-heart.html

I had no idea res had potential in this area,I'll check out that thread and thanks.

It looks like I won't be doing this injectible epi at all as my "source" is MIA.He was the one I was getting the PGF from as well,not that I was going to use it anyway after doing the requisite research on it I've no desire to touch that shit.

I know that Napalm is cash-money for topical fat loss but thought I'd get some DNP-esque targeted effect from the PGF2a.Turns out that I was quite mistaken

The down side with res is that it may aggravate gyno.If res has this effect via activation of sirtuin1 than I could replicate the res with an IF diet,this is interesting shit.

Edit:
Just checked out the thread and a 2 week course of res is all that is needed to decrease heart size.hell of yes,I'm all over it as of now.Take a look at my trade thread and take whatever you want,I owe you for this.

[nelix]

Colin, on Jan 4 2008, 11:54 AM, said:

I had no idea res had potential in this area,I'll check out that thread and thanks.

It looks like I won't be doing this injectible epi at all as my "source" is MIA.He was the one I was getting the PGF from as well,not that I was going to use it anyway after doing the requisite research on it I've no desire to touch that shit.

I know that Napalm is cash-money for topical fat loss but thought I'd get some DNP-esque targeted effect from the PGF2a.Turns out that I was quite mistaken

The down side with res is that it may aggravate gyno.If res has this effect via activation of sirtuin1 than I could replicate the res with an IF diet,this is interesting shit.

Edit:
Just checked out the thread and a 2 week course of res is all that is needed to decrease heart size.hell of yes,I'm all over it as of now.Take a look at my trade thread and take whatever you want,I owe you for this.

Res has so much conflicting info, very interested in your outcome.