[darius]

*** CHEMICAL IDENTIFICATION ***

RTECS NUMBER : SC0800000
CHEMICAL NAME : Pentylamine, 1,3-dimethyl-
CAS REGISTRY NUMBER : 105-41-9
BEILSTEIN REFERENCE NO. : 1731697
REFERENCE : 4-04-00-00747 (Beilstein Handbook Reference)
LAST UPDATED : 199612
DATA ITEMS CITED : 1
MOLECULAR FORMULA : C7-H17-N
MOLECULAR WEIGHT : 115.25
WISWESSER LINE NOTATION : ZY1&1Y2&1
COMPOUND DESCRIPTOR : Drug
SYNONYMS/TRADE NAMES :
* 2-Amino-4-methylhexane
* 1,3-Dimethylamylamine
* 1,3-Dimethylpentylamine
* Forthane
* Methylhexaneamine
* 4-Methyl-2-hexylamine

*** HEALTH HAZARD DATA ***

** ACUTE TOXICITY DATA **

TYPE OF TEST : LD50 - Lethal dose, 50 percent kill
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Intraperitoneal
SPECIES OBSERVED : Rodent - mouse
DOSE/DURATION : 185 mg/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Details of toxic effects not reported other than lethal dose value
REFERENCE :
85KYAH "Merck Index; an Encyclopedia of Chemicals, Drugs, and Biologicals",
11th ed., Rahway, NJ 07065, Merck & Co., Inc. 1989 Volume(issue)/page/year:
11,957,1989

*** END OF RECORD ***
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*** CHEMICAL IDENTIFICATION ***

RTECS NUMBER : SC0879200
CHEMICAL NAME : Pentylamine, 1,3-dimethyl-, sulfate
LAST UPDATED : 198406
DATA ITEMS CITED : 2
MOLECULAR FORMULA : C7-H17-N.H2-O4-S
MOLECULAR WEIGHT : 213.33
WISWESSER LINE NOTATION : ZY1&1Y2&1 &WSQQ
COMPOUND DESCRIPTOR : Drug
SYNONYMS/TRADE NAMES :
* 2-Amino-4-methylhexane sulfate
* 1,3-Dimethylpentylamine sulfate
* Forthane sulfate

*** HEALTH HAZARD DATA ***

** ACUTE TOXICITY DATA **

TYPE OF TEST : LD50 - Lethal dose, 50 percent kill
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Intravenous
SPECIES OBSERVED : Rodent - rat
DOSE/DURATION : 72500 ug/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - convulsions or effect on seizure threshold
REFERENCE :
JAPMA8 Journal of the American Pharmaceutical Association, Scientific
Edition. (Washington, DC) V.29-49, 1940-60. For publisher information, see
JPMSAE. Volume(issue)/page/year: 42,107,1953

TYPE OF TEST : LD50 - Lethal dose, 50 percent kill
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Intravenous
SPECIES OBSERVED : Rodent - mouse
DOSE/DURATION : 39 mg/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - convulsions or effect on seizure threshold
REFERENCE :
JAPMA8 Journal of the American Pharmaceutical Association, Scientific
Edition. (Washington, DC) V.29-49, 1940-60. For publisher information, see
JPMSAE. Volume(issue)/page/year: 42,107,1953

*** END OF RECORD ***
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Title: NSC1106
Other Titles: Forthan
Forthane
Methylhexaneamine
Pentylamine, 1,3-dimethyl- (8CI)
WLN: ZY & 1Y2
1,3-Dimethylamylamine
1, 3-Dimethylpentylamine
2-Amino-4-methylhexane
2-Hexanamine, 4-methyl- (9CI)
4-Methyl-2-hexylamine
Issue Date: 25-Nov-2004
Publisher: Unilever Center for Molecular Informatics, Cambridge University
Other Identifiers: NSC1106
Appears in Collections: WWMM [http://www.dspace.ca...45?mode=simple]


Evidence

"USA
Description=We are a USA company with interests in South America. We
are seeking a quotation for 25 kg and 50 kg quantities of methylhexaneamine
[also referred to as 4 methyl-2- Hexanamine] CAS Number 105-41-9.
Molecular weight 115.22. Product must be the hydrochloride salt in the
form of a free flowing, white, odorless powder having minimum 98% purity.
We require a quotation in USD as soon as possible. We will place minimum
order of 20 to 25 kg per month for the rest of 2005. Please advise basis
of you quotation [preferably CIF Chicago, Illinois USA] and delivery time.
Preshipment samples with lot numbers and specification sheet are required
which each of the first three orders. Please advise on payment terms."
[http://www.bizeurope...ve/may2005.htm]

Company Name: Proviant Technologies
State: Illinois
Country: US

"for the rest of 2005" - Isn't that when AMP came out, 2005?


meth·yl·hex·ane·amine
n : an amine base C7H17N used as a local vasoconstrictor of nasal mucosa in the treatment of nasal congestion . http://www.fasthealth.com/dictionary/m/methylhexaneamine.php

Figure 5. Indirect-Acting Adrenergic Agonists. Notations of A represents the aromatic functionality and R, R1, R2 represent different functionality on the hydrocarbon portion.

[username]

Isn't Proviant in Champaign? Not Chicago.

[darius]

Yes but

1. Close enough

2. Shipping price estimate only

3. Who else would want 25-50kg's of this shit? This is old stuff from the 50's like PA said and the articles above show too.

I know I tell people that I live in the nearest big city when its really a smaller city outside.


*4. SEAPORT (see below) Chicago's Seaport, Champaign doesn't have one obviously.

[darius]

CIF-Cost, Insurance and Freight
"Cost, Insurance and Freight" means that the seller has the same obligations as under CFR but with the addition that he has to procure marine insurance against the buyer's risk of loss of or damage to the goods during the carriage. The seller contracts for insurance and pays the insurance premium.

The buyer should note that under the CIF term the seller is only required to obtain insurance on minimum coverage.

The CIF term requires the seller to clear the goods for export.

This term can only be used for sea and inland waterway transport. When the ship's rail serves no practical purposes such as in the case of roll-on/roll-off or container traffic, the CIP term is more appropriate to use.

A. The seller must
A.1. Provision of goods in conformity with the contract
Provide the goods and the commercial invoice, or its equivalent electronic message, in conformity with the contract of sale and any other evidence of conformity which may be required by the contract.

A.2. Licences, authorisations and formalities
Obtain at his own risk and expense any export licence or other official authorisation and carry out all customs formalities necessary for the exportation of the goods.

A.3. Contract of carriage and insurance
a) Contract of carriage

Contract on usual terms at his own expense for the carriage of the goods to the named port of destination by the usual route in a seagoing vessel (or inland waterway vessel as appropriate) of the type normally used for the transport of goods of the contract description.

Contract of insurance

Obtain at his own expense cargo insurance as agreed in the contract, that the buyer, or any other person having an insurable interest in the goods, shall be entitled to claim directly from the insurer and provide the buyer with the insurance policy or other evidence of insurance cover.

The insurance shall be contracted with underwriters or an insurance company of good repute and, failing express agreement to the contrary, be in accordance with minimum cover of the Institute Cargo Clauses (Institute of London Underwriters) or similar set of clauses. The duration of insurance cover shall be in accordance with B.5. and B.4. When required by the buyer, the seller shall provide at the buyer's expense war, strikes, riots and civil commotion risk insurances if procurable. The minimum insurance shall cover the price provided in the contract plus ten per cent (i.e. 100%) and shall be provided in the currency of the contract.

A.4. Delivery
Deliver the goods on board the vessel at the port of shipment on the date or within the period stipulated.

A.5. Transfer of risks
Subject to the provisions of B.5., bear all risks of loss of or damage to the goods until such time as they have passed the ship's rail at the port of shipment.

A.6. Division of Costs
Subject to the provisions of B.6.

- pay the freight and all other costs resulting from A.3., as well as costs of loading the goods on board and any charges for unloading at the port or discharge which may be levied by regular shipping lines when contracting for carriage :

- pay the costs of customs formalities necessary for exportation as well as duties, taxes and other official charges payable upon exportation.

A.7. Notice to the buyer
Give the buyer sufficient notice that the goods have been delivered on board the vessel as well as any other notice required in order to allow the buyer to make measures which are normally necessary to enable him to take the goods.

A.8. Proof of delivery, transport document or equivalent electronic message
Unless otherwise agreed, at his own expense provide the buyer without delay with the usual transport document for the agreed port of destination.

This document (for example, a negotiable bill of lading, a non-negotiable sea waybill or an inland waterway document) must cover the contract goods, be dated within the period agreed for shipment, enable the buyer to claim the goods from the carrier at destination and, unless otherwise agreed, enable the buyer to sell the goods in transit by the transfer of the document to a subsequent buyer (the negotiable bill of lading) or by notification to the carrier.

When such a transport document is issued in several originals, a full set of originals must be presented to the buyer. If the transport document contains a reference to a charter party, the seller must also provide a copy of this latter document.

Where the seller and the buyer have agreed to communicate electronically, the document referred to in the preceding paragraphs may be replaced by an equivalent electronic data interchange(EDI) message.

A.9. Checking-packaging-marking
Pay the costs of those checking operations (such as checking quality, measuring, weighing, counting) which are necessary for the purpose of delivering the goods in accordance with A.4.

Provide at his own expense packaging (unless it is usual for the particular trade to ship the goods of the contract description unpacked) which is required for the transport of the goods arranged by him. Packaging is to be marked appropriately.

A.10. Other obligations
Render the buyer at the latter's request, risk and expense, every assistance in obtaining any documents or equivalent electronic messages (other than those mentioned in A.8.) issued or transmitted in the country of shipment and/or of origin which the buyer may require for the importation of the goods and, where necessary, for their transit through another country.

B. The buyer must
B.1. Payment of the price
Pay the price as provided in the contract of sale.

B.2. Licences, authorisations and formalities
Obtain at his own risk and expense any import licence or other official authorisation and carry out all customs formalities for the importation of the goods and, where necessary, for their transit through another country.

B.3. Contract of carriage
No obligation

B.4. Taking delivery
Receive the goods at the named port of destination.

B.5. Transfer of risks
Bear all risks of loss of or damage to the goods from the time they have passed the ship's rail at the port of shipment.

Should he fail to give notice in accordance with B.7., bear all risks of loss of or damage to the goods from the expiry date of the period fixed for shipment provided, however, that the goods have been duly appropriated to the contract, that is to say, clearly set aside or otherwise identified as the contract goods.

B.6. Division of costs
Subject to the provisions of A.3., pay all costs relating to the goods from the time they have been delivered in accordance with A.4. and, unless such costs and charges have been levied by regular shipping lines when contracting for carriage, pay all costs and charges relating to the goods whilst in transit until their arrival at the port of destination, as well as unloading costs including lighterage and wharfage charges.

Should he fail to give notice in accordance with B.7., pay the additional costs thereby incurred for the goods from the expiry date of the period fixed for shipment provided, however, that the goods have been duly appropriated to the contract, that is to say, clearly set aside or otherwise identified as the contract goods.

Pay all duties, taxes and other official charges as well as the costs of carrying out customs formalities payables upon importation of the goods and where necessary, for their transit through another country.

B.7. Notice to the seller
Whenever he is entitled to determine the time for shipping the goods and/or the port of destination, give the seller sufficient notice thereof.

B.8. Proof of delivery, transport document or equivalent electronic message
Accept the transport document in accordance with A.8. if it is in conformity with the contract.

B.9. Inspection of goods
Pay, unless otherwise agreed, the costs of pre-shipment inspection except when mandated by the authorities of the country of exportation.

B.10. Other obligations
Pay all costs and charges incurred in obtaining the documents or equivalent electronic messages mentioned in A.10 and reimburse those incurred by the seller in rendering his assistance in accordance therewith.

Provide the seller, upon request, with the necessary information for procuring insurance.

[zachattack43]

I dont understand, why are you posting all this? whats with the shipping info?

[darius]

It proves what Geranamine is because they were inquiring this product which is:

SYNONYMS/TRADE NAMES :
* 2-Amino-4-methylhexane
* 1,3-Dimethylamylamine
* 1,3-Dimethylpentylamine
* Forthane
* Methylhexaneamine
* 4-Methyl-2-hexylamine

[darius]

"Geranamine™ is a naturally occurring compound with adrenaline-like properties that has very potent and noticeable energy producing effects. It also has a very low toxicity (as determined by LD-50). Compared to ephedra its subjective effects are more central than peripheral, leading to a much more pleasant and tolerable energy enhancing experience." - ergopharm.net

The reason why in the past PA knew nothing about how this compound works is cause literally there is no information on the internet about it. He kept saying it "did stuff" with epinephrine. Compared it to Ephedra so it wouldn't give it away instead of something more comparable like Methoxyphentermine.

[geigertube]

Now just find us a source and we'll be in business.

[darius]

AMP is
1. Geranamine "Methylhexaneamine"
2. Caffeine
3. Chocamine

It would be interesting to get ahold of some other adrenergic agonists and mix them with caffeine/aspirin or just chocamine.

Methylhexaneamine probably won't do so well on it's own, and PA said that he tried it a few times alone and it wasn't that impressive. It probably has to be mixed with the caffeine cause:
"Caffeine is also a known competitive inhibitor of the enzyme cAMP-phosphodiesterase (cAMP-PDE), which converts cyclic AMP (cAMP) in cells to its noncyclic form, allowing cAMP to build up in cells. Cyclic AMP participates in the messaging cascade produced by cells in response to stimulation by epinephrine, so by blocking its removal caffeine intensifies and prolongs the effects of epinephrine and epinephrine-like drugs such as amphetamine, methamphetamine, or methylphenidate.(wikipedia)"

It may have also had something to do with the synergy in chocamine's euphoric part.

[Par Deus]

A few of us definitely think this could be it.

[darius]

Hey there Par.
I found some nifty evidence about the shipping inquiry don't you think?
You should make me a mod and I will be a PI and find dirt on all competitor companies that arn't considered friends and you can pay me in coke.
haha jk.

[geigertube]

AMP is
1. Geranamine "Methylhexaneamine"
2. Caffeine
3. Chocamine

It would be interesting to get ahold of some other adrenergic agonists and mix them with caffeine/aspirin or just chocamine.

Methylhexaneamine probably won't do so well on it's own, and PA said that he tried it a few times alone and it wasn't that impressive. It probably has to be mixed with the caffeine cause:
"Caffeine is also a known competitive inhibitor of the enzyme cAMP-phosphodiesterase (cAMP-PDE), which converts cyclic AMP (cAMP) in cells to its noncyclic form, allowing cAMP to build up in cells. Cyclic AMP participates in the messaging cascade produced by cells in response to stimulation by epinephrine, so by blocking its removal caffeine intensifies and prolongs the effects of epinephrine and epinephrine-like drugs such as amphetamine, methamphetamine, or methylphenidate.(wikipedia)"

It may have also had something to do with the synergy in chocamine's euphoric part.

That's odd. I thought PA said he had to add the caffeine to keep people from abusing the Geranamine.

[Par Deus]

I've been wrong more than once, but I do not think "Geranamine" needs caffeine or anything else to work.

[liorrh]

doesn't this mean that whoever likes AMP have liked modafinil or EC?

[gammahydroxy]

I've been wrong more than once, but I do not think "Geranamine" needs caffeine or anything else to work.

Darius is a man on a mission..

[Benson]

I love the internet...

Now what's the connection to Geranium Oil?

And, just because I'm curious, what are Proviant's "interests in South America?"

[ShadowJack]

I've been wrong more than once, but I do not think "Geranamine" needs caffeine or anything else to work.

I could be wrong too, but I'm thinking the other ingedients are needed to keep one awake during a work-out. Forthane is an anesthetic.

[hexadec]

so is cocaine.

[liorrh]

chocamine isn't stimulating so that really isnt it.
and AMP is REALLY stimuating. much more than 200mg of caffeine.
it realy feels like an SNRI should feel like.

PS I only take one capsule. Darius envies me

[darius]

Now just find us a source and we'll be in business.

There are a few on the internet, oversea chem places.. but I can't read the language on their pages..

[darius]

I've been wrong more than once, but I do not think "Geranamine" needs caffeine or anything else to work.

Wouldn't it be similar to amphetamine or ephedra or some adrengergic taking it alone. Of course it works. But maybe the caffeine inhances it, like it supposedly does to amphetamines in that wiki article. Kinda like how people use caffeine with ephedra as part of the ECA stack.

[darius]

doesn't this mean that whoever likes AMP have liked modafinil or EC?

No they are different for sure, cause I don't really like Provigil but AMP is cool, EC is good too. I'm sure they all have different effects, some slight, some not so slight, but they pretty much act the same. Think about Amphetamine and then Methamphetamine.. big big difference. And I think Provigil is kinda an odd ball stim anyways, like it doesn't fit into the same group that amphetamines/geranamine/ephedra fit into.

[darius]

I love the internet...

Now what's the connection to Geranium Oil?

And, just because I'm curious, what are Proviant's "interests in South America?"

I'm gonna look for the Geranium Oil connection a bit later.

South America. Faster shipping, possibly cheaper due to less distance covered (instead of from China even tho I'd bet $5 China could make it cheaper than anywhere), possibly gray area and easy to exploit some exportation law loophole. Does everyone ship in their chems? What happend to airplanes??

[darius]

I could be wrong too, but I'm thinking the other ingedients are needed to keep one awake during a work-out. Forthane is an anesthetic.

I ran into this mix up last night. The popular Forthane is an anesthetic, the Geranamine Forthane or Forthan is a super old name for a super old compound. I strongly believe they are 2 very different compounds. One for anesthesia, the other a decongestant.

[darius]

chocamine isn't stimulating so that really isnt it.
and AMP is REALLY stimuating. much more than 200mg of caffeine.
it realy feels like an SNRI should feel like.

PS I only take one capsule. Darius envies me

There is a connection with epinephrine (yeah we all know that) and with dopamine. They both work together with it. I bet 5-HTP levels aren't affected all that much. I'll post some stuff later. When you get all the characteristics of the other adrengergic compounds, you tend to notice trends.

There is a ton of compounds out their that are fairly well documented for our disposal. Creating a euphoriant-type drug from what is legal or pharm out there should not be extremely difficult. Just takes some reading of the info that comes so easy for us now (instead of the dudes compiling the info from compounds knowing jack shit prior) and mixing them together properly. Make it look good on paper, then test it out, and revise until perfect.

Haha I envy you? You envy me getting by with just 1 capsule of AMP.

[nightop]

chocamine isn't stimulating so that really isnt it.
and AMP is REALLY stimuating. much more than 200mg of caffeine.
it realy feels like an SNRI should feel like.

PS I only take one capsule. Darius envies me

Why do you say chocamine isn't stimulating. It is quite stimulating in the probable high dose used in AMP.

I too get significant effect from just one cap.

[darius]

I'm going to reread and read up more on the catecholamines and catecholamines transporters. Cocaine works by blocking the DAT very quickly, the same thing Wellbutrin does, but way slower. Right now I believe the shorter the halflife of reuptake blocking, the better the euphoria. Geranamine has a short half life for sure when it blocks the norepinephrine transporter, and it also releases the norepinephrine quickly too because of its adrenergic effects (this is my reasoning/speculation to this point, I'm still learning). Maybe all we need is a short half lifed dopamine reuptake blocker (cocaine dammit), theres got to be some herb out there that does this. I wonder if there was a chemical way to reduce the half life of Wellbutrin, so it blocks the DAT faster instead of over 1-3 week period. A compound which blocks the DAT and releases the dopamine from the vessicles the fastest is the best of course. Then you get into destroying MAO (MAOI) so the dopamine that is free to play around doesn't get kidnapped by evil MAO and capped. This is all kinda speculation of what is already known, I just haven't researched it yet. Then do the same thing just as fast for epinephrine (we have Geranamine for this) and there are substances out there that release it, if Geranamine doesn't release it fast enough. Like Wellbutrin for dopamine, if Strattera worked way faster with a shorter half life, we would probably see effects similar to the way AMP manipulates epinephrine. Then go to Serotonin and do the same thing. All catecholamines transmitters timed to be blocked at the same time and quickly righ after dumping everything they have from their vessicles. Then we manipulate the opioid, cannabinoid, and cholergenic receptors/vessicles too, all at the same time. We temporarily get rid of any inhibitory transmitters like GABA too.

No reuptake, all the catecholamines are released to run wild, and the MAO enforcers have been already delt with.

It would probably feel like cocaine, MDMA, and a strong dose of Geranamine. Cardiac specific beta-blockers may need to be in place to protect the heart from all this adrenergic madness.

We either get brain fucked or we experience the drug of god. Either way, the next day will be worse than hell.

[arlowf]

I'm down for two hundred dollars on an order if anyone wants to source this shit.

[darius]

I'm down for two hundred dollars on an order if anyone wants to source this shit.

Word. Me too. Arlowf whats up? Check your email.