I need tips and suggestions on ways you all do (or just any ideas you all have) for calming down and finally getting to sleep from amphetamines.
Generally I still have trouble getting to sleep even about 15-18 hours after last orally taking any instant release amphetamine. So, I need some suggestions.
Things I've already tried and their results and/or notes to go along with them:
1. Taking amphetamine earlier in the day or taking less of it:
-This is obvious so please don't suggest this. Assume when you're answering the question that this cannot/is not done. I am already aware of this as a solution or suggestion.
2. Eating Food:
This helps a ton and I eat a good amount or at least force myself to with milkshakes during the amphetamine experience. At the end of it, food definitely does help to calm me down a ton and I do eat a ton of it at once in an attempt to spike my blood sugar and then make it fall...lol.
Please don't suggest this - it is an obvious given and I already eat food anyway.
3. Hot Shower:
This does help, but only so much. It is also an obvious given.
4. Valerian root, inositol, l-tryptophan, 5-htp, melatonin, ZMA, etc.:
-I tried these and I believe they help to some extent, but they simply don't seem to be powerful enough. Regardless, I still take them and pretty good doses of them too. Rhodiola rosea doesn't do jack for me either.
5. Kava Kava:
I've tried this. I've tried a variety of brands - some being really expensive and claiming to be the "most pure" ever. This has only ever affected me just a little.
I took this once a long time ago. I have NEVER been that dizzy/fucked-up/drunk-like before. I feel more drunk (without the euphoria and lack of cognition) on a little bit of Phenibut than I ever have on alcohol. Phenibut fucks up my inner ear function or something for a LONG time - I hate this stuff - out of the question. Don't suggest this.
7. Anticholinergenics such as doxylamine succinate or diphenhydramine:
I was doing this in the past with O.K. results. I'd fall asleep and get a good amount of sleep. However, I felt like my sleep quality was lower and I felt a bit trippy alot of the time. Additionally, I recently had an incredibly bad experience with anticholinergenics. In short, I'm never taking any again. So this is out of the question. Please do not suggest cyproheptadine either - it's an anticholinergenic.
I tried this. It didn't really affect me much at all besides makes me feel a bit weird. I also ended up having a terrible experience with it recently. This option is out.
9. Ambien (Zolpidem):
I've used this before in the past when I had some severe jet lag when coming back from Asia.
I have not tried this with amphetamine - but I do know that whenever I took it I would sleep then wake up like 5 hours later - this sucked. Sleep was of O.K. quality, but not great. Also, it makes me trip a bit when I take it - I already experience a bit of that from the Memantine (10mg-15mg daily) that I take for it's supposed amphetamine tolerance (see my other long thread)...so I do want to avoid that a bit.
As I said, I havn't tried Ambien yet, so perhaps I should but I'm pretty sure I won't sleep for long (or maybe I will?).
10. Alcohol and/or Marijuana:
These do work actually - especially if I combine them. Marijuana isn't too good on its own though as I tend to just feel really weird plus it's illegal and a bit hard to get for me. Alcohol works, but it also disrupts my sleep architecture and I end up either feeling hungover or like I got shitty sleep the next day.
Valium - this worked well, but the half life was way way too long. It is 20–100 hours (36-200 hours for main active metabolite - according to wikipedia at least.
Temazepam (Restoril) - This is what I'm currently using after a doctor prescribed me 10 15mg pills. This is literally the PERFECT thing to take for me so far that I've found. I calm down, get sleepy, go to sleep, stay asleep, get great sleep, and wake up feeling very refreshed. In fact, I've never even gotten sleep this well before that I can remember. The half life is 8-20 hours and I don't feel hungover the next day - it's great stuff. There's one big problem though - it's a benzodiazapene. This means that I have to deal with the following obvious negative things that come along with it:
-I'll develop a tolerance quickly. I'm already beginning to and I only take it about once every other night (I take anywhere from 20-25mg per sleep session currently - I split the pills apart).
-I could potentially go through some nasty withdrawals.
-Benzodiazapenes are incredibly addictive. This isn't good, especially when I'm already taking amphetamines.
-I could easily end up fully relying on it to get to sleep even when amphetamine isn't in my system - this is also very bad.
-It's very difficult to get - especially a high quality american brand.
Temazepam is a great short term solution for now. But I can't rely on it for long - I'm about to run out anyway.
So, I'm not sure what to do.
Will run out of Temazepam soon and it has its obvious downsides as I listed.
I know another member of this forum uses GBL and that "gives them a great euphoria" and probably helps to calm them down quite a bit. GBL is quite difficult for me to get in the US, plus its quite illegal too - and probably shares some similar downsides as Temazepam anyway - however, I am not sure as I've never had it....perhaps it would be a worthwhile solution.
I'm also thinking something like Flexeril (Cyclobenzaprine). I've taken that in the past when it was prescribed for back problems I was having. It really just made me go to sleep though...and for quite a while. It seems to last quite a while for me though and makes me feel kind of tired the next day. Then again I can get it and it's not as addictive as benzos.
I tried some Gabapentin once in the past but it really wasn't that sedating. I just felt more "drunk". It didn't really have that great of an effect on me.
Many times I will also drink pure 100% cranberry juice (a whole freaking bottle of it) in order to try to get any amp out of my system. Seems to help a bit.
I did a bit of research on this forum and noticed a few people mentioning:
I've tried ashwaganda before. It didn't do anything for me.
I have not tried Bacopa or Holy Basil though - so perhaps I will check those out.
Then again, I really almost never feel anything from herbal supplements.
Anyone have any suggestions/comments? I need some help here!