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    So every now and then I go on a peanut butter binge, and this weekend was one of those times. I generally drain the excess oil off the top of the jar (actually I intentionally choose jars with a lot of separation so I can maximize the PUFA drainage - if it's too dry, I mix in some coconut oil). But anyway, when I overdo it with nuts - especially peanuts but other nuts too - I really feel the inflammation. It's messed up, I can feel the tissue around my eyes get puffier, I can feel an actual ache-y, sore feeling in my "love handles" area, seemingly in the fatty tissue.



    I'm really only posting this because I'm curious about whether anyone else experiences this.



    Is this related to the omega-6 PUFA content, like I'm assuming, or does someone have insight into another reason this could be happening?
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    I think it's the lectins in peanuts you are having a problem with.

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    Yeah, I think this problem is specific to peanuts. I suspect, though, that it might also happen with other nuts too if they're roasted with oil. But you usually eat raw nuts, right?



    I always thought that a nut butter with coconut oil in it would be really good.


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    1. How much exactly is a "binge?"

    2. Does this happen only with nut butters, or with any PUFA-rich meal of roughly equivalent fat content?

    3. Can you actually see and/or measure see the puffiness?

    4. Is there is dose-response and/or time course of the effects you feel with respect to the peanut/nut butters?



    Unlikely to be an inflammation issue per se, since you should feel a much wider, global range of effects if something you ate was triggering a general inflammatory response.



    And no, I have never experienced this and I easily go through 4-6T of the stuff/day.
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    Could be the ALEs and AGEs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimbo View Post
    Yeah, I think this problem is specific to peanuts. I suspect, though, that it might also happen with other nuts too if they're roasted with oil. But you usually eat raw nuts, right?



    I always thought that a nut butter with coconut oil in it would be really good.


    I eat raw nuts, when I do eat nuts - usually almonds. I also eat almond butter and it has a similar effect to the PB - it's made from roasted nuts, though likely not roasted in oil (though could be, depending on ingredient listing laws - oil isn't listed on the ingredients anyway).





    Quote Originally Posted by dawza View Post
    1. How much exactly is a "binge?"

    2. Does this happen only with nut butters, or with any PUFA-rich meal of roughly equivalent fat content?

    3. Can you actually see and/or measure see the puffiness?

    4. Is there is dose-response and/or time course of the effects you feel with respect to the peanut/nut butters?



    Unlikely to be an inflammation issue per se, since you should feel a much wider, global range of effects if something you ate was triggering a general inflammatory response.



    And no, I have never experienced this and I easily go through 4-6T of the stuff/day.


    Let's see what's a binge.... I probably ate 3/4 of a 500 gram jar (ie, the small sized jar) over the course of three days. Not sure what that equals in terms of tablespoons.



    I really don't eat PUFA rich foods otherwise so it's not possible to compare. I haven't measured though I'm definitely bloated enough to be dreading zipping certain pants up, but that could be from overconsumption as much as inflammation per se.



    There's a dose response. IE, if I eat a little, it's not a problem. If I eat a lot, it will be, especially if I eat it for more than a day in a row.



    Also, if I eat peanut butter before bed I can't sleep without hardcore drugs. My heart pounds.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx Me View Post
    There's a dose response. IE, if I eat a little, it's not a problem. If I eat a lot, it will be, especially if I eat it for more than a day in a row.
    I don't know whether this applies to peanuts ...



    For some foods, it seems that one can slowly build up a tolerance. For example, I am lactose intolerant, but bowel problems go away if I continue to drink milk (as long as the amount is reasonable). For other foods, a body can also develop a negative response. I know one woman who used to be able to enjoy mangos. Then she developed severe "allergic reaction" to it (after severely binging on it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by virtualcyber View Post
    For some foods, it seems that one can slowly build up a tolerance. For example, I am lactose intolerant, but bowel problems go away if I continue to drink milk (as long as the amount is reasonable).


    I know other people who have the same reaction to milk and I am curious how this works.



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    I was listening to Dr.Wong over at TotalityofBeing and he said that even if you're lactose intolerant, the more you drink milk, your body will eventually adapt and produce more of the enzyme lactase so you be lactose intolerant as much anymore.

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    As a kid I was sensitive to peanuts, though not allergic.



    I did develop a short-term sensitivity to shellfish after eating shrimp way too regularly for a chunk of time. Now I'm fine with it, but I'll never do that again. I find the same thing happens with eggs and even meats - rotating proteins is really key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx Me View Post
    As a kid I was sensitive to peanuts, though not allergic.



    I did develop a short-term sensitivity to shellfish after eating shrimp way too regularly for a chunk of time. Now I'm fine with it, but I'll never do that again. I find the same thing happens with eggs and even meats - rotating proteins is really key.


    My girlfriend's brother developed a severe allergy to shellfish after gorging on it in India when he was a kid. He still can't touch the stuff. This seems to be pretty common from what I understand.





    I even wonder if it's a good idea to be using whey every day for this reason, although I've never heard of anyone contracting a whey allergy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by virtualcyber View Post
    I don't know whether this applies to peanuts ...



    For some foods, it seems that one can slowly build up a tolerance. For example, I am lactose intolerant, but bowel problems go away if I continue to drink milk (as long as the amount is reasonable). For other foods, a body can also develop a negative response. I know one woman who used to be able to enjoy mangos. Then she developed severe "allergic reaction" to it (after severely binging on it).


    Are you sure you are lactose intolerant and not casein intolerant?



    Mango rinds contain urushiol, also known as the baddie in poison ivy. Cashew shells have it, and roasted cashews have it in trace amounts. Enough to make it a problem for me when I was eating cashews by the boatload every day. My lips were so inflamed I looked like I was wearing lipstick. Now I am sensitized and must avoid cashews.

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    Jinx -- you are allergic to peanuts. The heart pounding is the giveaway. Omega 6's don't cause this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blarger View Post
    Are you sure you are lactose intolerant and not casein intolerant?
    I cannot be 100% sure. I am probably not casein intolerant, because I can consume casein, unless I consume too much in one sitting. Then watch out! My mom and dad also couldn't drink milk at first, but they eventually adapted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dawza View Post
    1. How much exactly is a "binge?"

    2. Does this happen only with nut butters, or with any PUFA-rich meal of roughly equivalent fat content?

    3. Can you actually see and/or measure see the puffiness?

    4. Is there is dose-response and/or time course of the effects you feel with respect to the peanut/nut butters?



    Unlikely to be an inflammation issue per se, since you should feel a much wider, global range of effects if something you ate was triggering a general inflammatory response.



    And no, I have never experienced this and I easily go through 4-6T of the stuff/day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blarger View Post
    Jinx -- you are allergic to peanuts. The heart pounding is the giveaway. Omega 6's don't cause this.


    Yeah? Makes sense I guess - they gave me rashes as a kid too...



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    ive never really had this problem, i notice if eat alot of peanuts my stomach bloats but thats about it

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    Yeh I've been wondering. Someone has also said that eating peanuts makes them feel bad. What is the paleo take on peanuts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by methodice View Post
    Yeh I've been wondering. Someone has also said that eating peanuts makes them feel bad. What is the paleo take on peanuts?
    The Paleo "expert" at my gym says no peanuts.
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    Ask him why?
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