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    I am thinking 200 mg. postworkout should be good. With 75g dextrose and 10g creatine, etc.



    What do you guys think?
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    from what ive gathered, 200-300 mg r-ala before high carb meals is best. minimise use to after workouts only while on keto diets.
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    I just take it because IMHO it's the best damn anti-O out there.



    Other than that, I believe that it is useless
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    It's a true repartitioning agent -- I finally researched it, and I know exactly how they work and such -- "R" is better than the racemic, too.



    I'd take a bunch around workout time, then smaller amounts with each meal -- inlcuding keto diets. Eat some more whey protein if you notice low blood sugar.



    Everyone should take this (at least until something better comes out)



    Is also a damn good antioxidant, as mentioned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lgoosey' date='Mar 31 2003, 04:22 AM
    I just take it because IMHO it's the best damn anti-O out there.



    Other than that, I believe that it is useless
    not from what my research and experimenting has gathered. My article on this is coming



    As far as timing... take it when you would normally have high insulin levels... IE with high carb meals... do not take it if you are not eating carbs with it as it may make you queezy or light headed.



    This is one supplement I would definately put my backing behind... it works. In some trials it has shown to be better than even prescription diabetic drugs such as metformin as it works in a method that is much similar to insulin than any other insulin mimicker.



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    anything that can negate oxidative stress from "certain" substancesis gotta be good



    in my experience, "certain" refers to a broad range of fun stuff!
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    Well as usual some intelligent mind causes me to rethink my ways. thank you str8flexed



    I shouldn't have put "useless" but I'm jsut sick of people that think it's better than juice

    I think it's hyped up alot more than it should be.



    ***I will indeed be looking forward to seeing your article L-train and the research aspect behind it instead of "ya it rocks", "ya man im in ketosis" blah blah blah



    I tried large doses after my workout for about a week and just noticed that I was sore and didnt recover as quickly. This could be due to any number of compounding factors but I noticed nothing beneficial to note.

    I guess I was unhappy with the fact that it did not live up to all the glitter surrounding it.
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    Want to expand on what Layne said -- it works, not just to lower blood glucose -- it will improve body comp.



    And, there is shit, way, way better than R-ala, in the literature.


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    You now have my complete attention. Is there a minimum dosing for effectiveness?
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    Always rocking the boat Par...and then leaves goosey hanging over the edge



    I've seen recomendations of 100 mg of R-ALA per 30grams of carbs but have seen all the way up to 300 mg per 30 grams of carbs nevertheless I think 300 mgs of the R type is excessive because it's "stronger" than just regular ALA.



    But the shit does work. I took some without carbs just to make sure it was the real deal and I almost fell outa my chair
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    I would use as much as you can afford.



    I'm gonna be experimenting with cooler stuff, but I would use 1-2 grams as day, if I did not know of the existence of these other things -- at least half around workout.



    I would eat really low GI carbs -- just enough to keep yourself from feeling like you have low blood sugar. Except around workouts, when what I think is ideal is far too complicated to go into.


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    When you say 1g "around the workout" do you mean before, throughout, after, or all of the above, spread evenly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Peak' date='Mar 31 2003, 01:23 PM
    When you say 1g "around the workout" do you mean before, throughout, after, or all of the above, spread evenly?
    i'd take it in proportion to the amount of carbs in the meal. Usually my pre workout meal has as many carbs as post workout so I'll have like 600mg pre and 600mg post of racemic... could probably use less with the R-isomer.

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    Semi-evenly would be best.



    I would try to get 2/3 of the workout dose during the workout.



    Of course, I am talking with ultra fast digesting etc. stuff -- most people's workout formulas, even liquid ones will screw this up enough that it won't matter to be THAT precise.


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    Ya 600 mg of the R-isomer is wayyy too much I think. Maybe I am mistaken but I was led to believe that it is AT LEAST twice as "strong" as racemic. I could be wrong though. I believe that there are sides if too much is taken as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lgoosey' date='Mar 31 2003, 02:40 PM
    Ya 600 mg of the R-isomer is wayyyy to much I think.


    Well, you are the expert





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    I sense a strong hint of sarcasm

    well my research does extend volumes beyond that of Pars



    But some day goosey will be in the front running of all supplement inventors

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    This information is all so passe
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    Well lets see.... I can get a kilo of ALA for around $110 or about 200 grams of r-ALA for about the same price? Wouldn't I get the same effects if I just took 5x the amount of ALA if I can get it for the same price? Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen' date='Apr 1 2003, 12:28 PM
    around $110 or about 200 grams of r-ALA for about the same price?
    Heathen, where do you get R-ALA for that price?



    That is less than 1/3 of the price that R-ALA (generally) goes for, from Mike or AF.
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