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    I'm pretty sure the pseudoephedrine I'm taking for appetite control is also interfering with my ability to get erections. Anything I can use in conjunction to counteract the effects? I'm talking about something besides PDE5 inhibitors.


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    well...not really.

    stop taking them...



    stimulants unfortunatally suck for most mens libido.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimbo' post='396522' date='Apr 9 2007, 10:27 AM
    I'm pretty sure the pseudoephedrine I'm taking for appetite control is also interfering with my ability to get erections. Anything I can use in conjunction to counteract the effects? I'm talking about something besides PDE5 inhibitors.


    I'm one of the few that appreciate the ephedrine/pseudoephedrine effect... gives a bit more, um... control. If I remember correctly though, the penile engineers at Thunder's Place advocated countering those effects with increased water consumption and lowering caffeine consumption.. probably not what you're looking for though. Some found yohimbine helpful (yuck), as well as L-Histadine, L-Arginine, and a few swore by Niacin (nicotinic acid form... you want the flushing/vasodilation).



    Also maybe worth trying out is Muira Puama (10:1) from Nutraplanet. I ran out of the chocamine I normally cut my rhodiola with, so I mixed up a batch of 1:3 Rho/Muira and within a week noticed a significant increase in spontaneous erection frequency. Almost to the point of being annoying. Don't think it did anything for libido (not that I would notice, mine can't really get much higher) but it really did seem to boost the mechanical side of things, y'know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupremeDan' post='396526' date='Apr 9 2007, 10:41 AM
    stimulants unfortunatally suck for most mens libido.
    i dont understand how ephedrine causes this. i know it is a known side effect but it is a vasodilator so wouldnt it improve blood flow allowing for stronger erections? is it just a result of a chemical imbalance?
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    I've found it to be comletely countered by viagra + arginine. But not so sure that's safe. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's not such a grand idea. But I do it.
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    PDE5 inhibitors counter the erection issues caused by pseudoephedrine. Pseudoephedrine counters the congestion issues caused by PDE5 inhibitors. A match made in heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cakes and pies!!!' post='396569' date='Apr 9 2007, 02:40 PM
    i dont understand how ephedrine causes this. i know it is a known side effect but it is a vasodilator so wouldnt it improve blood flow allowing for stronger erections? is it just a result of a chemical imbalance?


    Ephedrine and most of its adrenegenic agonist cousins are vasoconstrictors not dilators.



    They tend to cause erectile issues because they mimic adrenaline and part of the fight-or-flight reflex is to retract the landing gear and tuck it up out of the way as much as possible in preparation for a run through the puckerbrush...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostfaceKillah' post='396661' date='Apr 10 2007, 05:29 PM
    PDE5 inhibitors counter the erection issues caused by pseudoephedrine. Pseudoephedrine counters the congestion issues caused by PDE5 inhibitors. A match made in heaven.
    Hrrm, good to know. I figured that would be the case. I've got Cialis - just wondered what other options were out there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benson' post='396662' date='Apr 10 2007, 05:38 PM
    Ephedrine and most of its adrenegenic agonist cousins are vasoconstrictors not dilators.



    They tend to cause erectile issues because they mimic adrenaline and part of the fight-or-flight reflex is to retract the landing gear and tuck it up out of the way as much as possible in preparation for a run through the puckerbrush...
    yeah, i fucked up in my post. ephedrine is a bronchodilator and opens up the airway for easier breathing. for some reason i got those 2 mixed up but thanks for the correction and explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostfaceKillah' post='396661' date='Apr 10 2007, 01:29 PM
    PDE5 inhibitors counter the erection issues caused by pseudoephedrine. Pseudoephedrine counters the congestion issues caused by PDE5 inhibitors. A match made in heaven.
    So how much of pseudoephedrine to counteract the PDE5 inhibitors? Lets say for 50mg of sildenafil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kLee' post='396958' date='Apr 12 2007, 06:57 AM
    So how much of pseudoephedrine to counteract the PDE5 inhibitors? Lets say for 50mg of sildenafil.
    Well also, if you do a Google search on PDE5 and pseudoephedrine you'll see that pseudoephedrine is the first drug used when someone cannot get rid of their erection after using a PDE5 inhibitor. So the pseudoephedrine may make the PDE5 inhibitor less effective.


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    Guys can you explain me this;I know that pseudoephedrine helps only for the appetite control and lacks the stimulant effects like ephedrine,am i right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zuper1' post='397413' date='Apr 15 2007, 03:32 AM
    Guys can you explain me this;I know that pseudoephedrine helps only for the appetite control and lacks the stimulant effects like ephedrine,am i right?
    Pretty much, yes.


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    I'd just like to reitterate that EC + Viagra/Cialis is an amazing stack. THink about it... Constant hardon, clear head, and alot of energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeHavener' post='398149' date='Apr 19 2007, 10:47 AM
    I'd just like to reitterate that EC + Viagra/Cialis is an amazing stack. THink about it... Constant hardon, clear head, and alot of energy.
    Wait a minute...so this stuff counteracts only the bad sides from cialis?!



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    Quote Originally Posted by zuper1' post='398174' date='Apr 19 2007, 04:33 PM
    Are you serious...BULLSHIT LOL.


    Dude... Not bullshit. And learn some english. Your posts are fucking hard to read.
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    PEA + Hordenine = good libido and great erections for some reason, even though PEA is a stimulant.
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    Interesting WRT PEA... doesn't feel the same with hordenine alone?



    Speaking of, dropped the pseudoephedrine today and switched back to HEAT. SPROING! Got a boner on the bus ride home. I had a flash back to my high school days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zuper1' post='398325' date='Apr 20 2007, 06:04 PM
    QQ
    Chill out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zuper1' post='397413' date='Apr 14 2007, 11:32 PM
    Guys can you explain me this;I know that pseudoephedrine helps only for the appetite control and lacks the stimulant effects like ephedrine,am i right?


    that really depends on who you are, i think. for me, pseudoephedrine is a potent mental stimulant. i discovered this when i was about 15. for scholastic competitions, final exams and the like, i'd always take 2 sudafed and it never failed me. it provides a very clean mental focus with no jitters or anxiety. and it also works for max lift attempts. i'm not only smarter when taking it, i'm stronger as well.



    i have no idea if it increases metabolism like ephedrine, but i do seem to get the appetite suppression. one side effect is that i can crash after a 4-hour dose, i just seem to lose all energy. taking a larger dose, like 12 hours, i feel slightly strung out after a while, but not as bad as ephedrine feels for me. and i found out the hard way that i can not sleep at all on a 12 hour dose. generally, though, i find it works best when i need just a few hours of super performance, and can afford to crash afterwards. oh, almost forgot, although it is a nasal decongestant, sometimes this will result in drying of the sinuses, inflammation, and then swelling from the inflammation. can't win for losing sometimes.

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